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Author Topic: Amirs of Sindh, 'Abd Allah, c. 870 - 900(?) A.D., Silver Qandhari dirham  (Read 2012 times)

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I think all of these coins are the same type and I have identified it...










Silver Qandhari dirham, weight 0.439 - 0.733 g, maximum diameter 9.6 -11.0 mm, Mansura (near Shahdadpur, Pakistan) mint, obverse Arabic inscription in three lines: There is no god but God alone; reverse Arabic inscription in three lines: Muhammad is the Messenger of God, the prince 'Abdullah

The third coin is a brockage.

Opinions? Confirmation? Disagreement or corrections? References? Thanks!

P.S. Looking again, the last one is a different type.
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I read  The prince the prince 'Abdullah     الا مير عبد الله
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I read          the prince 'Abdullah     الا مير عبد الله


My apology for repeating ; something wrong on my account , I do not the Procurator Caesaris options , or see my file .
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'Abd Allah and 'Abdullah are variations of the English transliteration of the same name, right?
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Yes .

Ab'd  عبد 
Al Llah  الله
Means the servant of God.

Everyone writes it the way they hear it. All correct.
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Added ;

Also in Arabic as in Aramaic and Latin..
We have the Grammar.
So the A'bd can be pronounced Ab'dou if he is the doer ( subject ) , and it can be pronounced Ab'da if
object....

That is why you see sometimes they list as  Ab'du or Ab'dou   Al malik .... and so on .
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...That is why you see sometimes they list as  Ab'du or Ab'dou   Al malik .... and so on .

And that is why I will never quite get it. I spend a lot of time trying to understand other languages. Sadly, I have no talent for it.
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OK, here is the best way to do it.

Muting the letter in the end is the best.
In Arabic grammar there is a rule ;

mute the end letter to be safe of all grammar rule. ( this goes for everything )

So   ;   Ab'd  Alah , Ab'd Al Malik .



Lemon on the lemonade ; :)

Also in Arabic language ( taken from Aramaic )
The letters are divided into two groups
The Sunny letters ( the sun) and The moony letters ( the Moon).

When a word has The = Al   in the beginning   
and after that Al there is a moony letter we pronounce the L ;
example ; M is a moony letter so we say

Ab'd Al Malik

When a word has The = Al   in the beginning   
and after that Al there is a sunny letter we Do not pronounce the L and we double the letter (strong );
example ; R is a sunny letter so we say

Ab'd Arrahman  ( not Abd al Rahman. )
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This one is not a match.  I think the obverse is the same, but the reverse is different. Anyone know what it says? 

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I am trying to find a list of princes (Amirs ) .

The name of prince should be in that circle.
To my eyes look like              Umar  عمر          ( I am more to this Umar )

added*            or                      Mohammed   محمد
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Here is a link that Sam sent me that is very useful for this type.

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=26660.0
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