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Offline Canaan

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Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« on: March 07, 2017, 07:10:54 am »
Hello to all, i have this FTR on a tight flan, so there is no mint mark and there is no name, but there are some hints that might help an expert in these types, like the bust and the S on the reverse. if any one can help me narrowing the options please! it is 17mm at the widest and 3.48 grams, thanks alot for your time.
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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 07:38:35 am »
Constantius Gallus, dot S dot in the left field, what seems to be a phrygian helmet and no beard, indicates that the coin is RIC Cyzikus 103.

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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 09:01:48 am »
Thanks alot Clueless!
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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2017, 03:38:47 am »

I agree, looks like Cyzikus 103.

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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2017, 05:19:30 pm »
Could be but could also be Nicomedia-93 I think.  Same pose and clothing for horseman and same obverse legend.  When i look at various examples of the two I see the closest similarities to the style of Nicomedia, in particular the head, hand and leg of the horseman.

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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2017, 03:06:19 am »
There are variants of 93, with out the helmet so could be.

Dane has examples of both.

http://www.catbikes.ch/helvetica/ft-nicomedia.htm

http://www.catbikes.ch/helvetica/ft-cyzicus.htm

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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2017, 06:54:54 am »
Thank you all, though i have no idea how to attribute it now ???
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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2017, 06:42:37 pm »
The best bet is to list the two possibilities. With an FTR-FH that is that off-set narrowing it down to two possibilities is pretty good.

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Re: Fallen horseman to identify and reference
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 07:18:33 pm »
Is it all that bad to admit that RIC is not the reference to use when dealing with coins lacking their mintmarks and just use Cohen (16)?   I have not seen it but I suspect the new volume of Sear will have a listing covering this coin leaving RIC ID's for collectors who buy coins with mintmarks.   We might also note that there have been additions to the RIC listed variations of headgear, clothing and poses for horsemen so there will even be mint state coins that don't really fit.  The authors of RIC volume X recognized that many of their coins were had to separate so listed the mints together making it easy to see the possibilities.  Volume VIII assumes coins can be identified to mint from the start.  Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

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