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Author Topic: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust  (Read 781 times)

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Offline quadrans

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It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« on: February 12, 2017, 03:40:15 pm »
It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust

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112 Probus (276-282 A.D.), AE-Antoninianus, RIC V-II 661, Siscia, CONCORDIA AVG, Bust-G, -/VII//XXI, Concordia standing left, #1
avers:- IMP-PROBVS-P-F-AVG, Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield.(G),
revers:- CONCORDIA-AVG, Concordia standing left, holding patera and double cornucopiae.
exerg: -/VII//XXI, diameter: 20,5-22,5mm, weight: 3,68g, axis: 11h,
mint: Siscia, 7th. emission, date: 280 A.D., ref: RIC V-II 661, p-88, Alf-22, No-50,


Any of your opinion ?

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Re: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2017, 05:04:18 pm »
The engraver forgot to put the head on the spear?
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Re: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2017, 05:08:49 pm »
Hi Robert,

Perhaps, although I have seen other similar cases ..
but not too frequently.. :) +++

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Re: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 02:08:29 am »
Also no head on spears at the Carus-family-coins, the combination shield-spear is logical  but is it without shield a spear or sceptre?
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Re: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 04:17:42 am »
I have had a look through me Probus coins as a small sample.

None of my Lugdunum coins show a clear spear head.




apart from bust types with a different orientation (seen from rear in this case)



Though even this is not consistent



Rome mint varies with clarity of the spear head





Ticinum varies in clarity

clear




unclear



Siscia also varies

clear



unclear



All my relevant Serdica coins have a clear spear tip



Similarly for Cyzicus



I will state that my sample size for Serdica and Cyzicus (3-6 relevant coins) are much smaller than all the other mints (dozens).

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Re: It is look like a sceptre instead of spear ???, in this Probus bust
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 11:29:11 am »
Hi ED and Martin,

 Thank you your comment , ...and pictures ..(nice pictures, thanx)..

It seems to me that , .. can not just engraver error...???

 It happen too frequently ...

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