overstrike of Jannaeus? any refeerence or a pict from a coin like this?

[zoser]

AE 15
1,01gr

Thanks in advance

[Arminius]

A bee from Ephesos.

[zoser]

A bee from Ephesos.

Hi Arminius, yes it really seems to be that, but what about the other side? it is maybe to worn? or does anyone know a REV like that?

King regards

[djmacdo]

At first glance I too thought it a bee from Ephesus, but upon reflection I think it is an ancient imitation of a Judaean small bronze.  If you reorient the obverse I thin you can see a poppy head between cornucopiae and on the reverse a sloppy imitation of a star - or am I reading too much into the surviving traces?

[zoser]

Hi Djmacdo, I added a picture turned 180º

I have no idea about the coins you say, could you add a link to see one?

King regards and thanks for helping

[OldMoney]

Definitely NOT Ephesos.

My first impression, too, was that it was some sort of
blundered/imitation Judaean item. It looks lie there is a
wheel/stellate on one side, and a double cornucopiae
on the other. Which would seem to make it a 'mule' (of
sorts) of two coins of Alexander Jannaeus (unofficial).

Walter

[Snegovik]

It might be an overstrike of Jannaeus' cornucopia and wreath type on the star and anchor type.

[zoser]

Hi everyone, thanks so much for help and hints, does anyone have any reference or a pict from another coin like this one?

King regards

[SC]

Flan fabrication of these Hasmonaean coins was so poor quality that it could also be the result of a strike on a bumpy/warty/pitted/etc flan.

Shawn

[Aarmale]

A couple things make me skeptical of the attribution to Jannaeus. The style of the star would be quite unusual for Jannaeus; the rays usually are shorter. The other side has a circle which would correspond to the diadem around the anchor, but no anchor, crude or not, is to be seen.

Finally, this coin has a rounded obverse and a flattened reverse. Jannaeus' smallest coins were not struck on bevelled flans (see "Judean Perspectives of Ancient Mints and Minting Technology", p. 59).

[djmacdo]

I think that is why people have been suggesting possibly an unofficial ancient imitation.

[Aarmale]

It is possibly but unlikely. I have never seen such a thing. In the cases that some people say are unofficial imitations (which is apparently not widely accepted), the coin still resembles Jannaeus' "official" issues in the ways I've described.