Author Topic: Solt as Argolis but cannot find it (Read 2199 times)

zoser · « **on:** January 02, 2017, 06:11:10 am »

AE 11
1,43 gr

Tomeckk Z · « **Reply #1 on:** January 02, 2017, 11:36:30 am »

seems to be Arkadian League:
http://wildwinds.com/coins/greece/arkadia/arkadian_league/t.html

zoser · « **Reply #2 on:** January 02, 2017, 01:06:20 pm »

Yes, this one maches perfectly, so no Argolis as the seller said, that is why I couldn't find it hahahaha.

Thanks so much

Akropolis · « **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2017, 01:49:58 pm »

No. To my old eyes, it does not match perfectly. Yours has a bar starting at the lower left leg of the central A and extends upward to the left. None of the examples on the Wildwinds page linked have that feature.
I have the BCD Peloponnessos catalog, but have no access to it at the moment. When I do, I will give it a look.
PeteB

zoser · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2017, 02:00:50 pm »

Nice PeteB, looking forward to hearing about.

King regards

Enodia · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2017, 04:04:55 pm »

your eyes notwithstanding Pete, these pictures would make anyone feel old. $:-\$

to me the reverse looks more like an AP monogram than just an A.

edit;
looking at the Wildwinds link it is apparently an 'ARK' monogram, and so could very well be from the Arkadian League. this variety does not seem to be listed though, as Pete suggested.

~ Peter

shanxi · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2017, 09:29:27 am »

Here is the complete monogram, unfortunately sold as uncertain.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3360086

what is it? TΛOAP, TΛAPO, TMAPO, TMOAP...... $:-\$

Pekka K · « **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2017, 09:39:38 am »

Or even: MATPO?

Pekka K

zoser · « **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2017, 10:37:54 am »

Hi Shanxi and Pekka, yes coin posted by Shanxi seems the most similas as mine, I would even say it is the same one.

What both mean by TΛOAP, TΛAPO, TMAPO, TMOAP or MATPO?

King regards and thanks so much

shanxi · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2017, 10:46:34 am »

Quote from: zoser on January 03, 2017, 10:37:54 am

What both mean by TΛOAP, TΛAPO, TMAPO, TMOAP or MATPO?

A monogram is an artistic combination of letters, e.g. letters that form a city name or the name of a ruler. If you decipher the monogram correctly you are more than half way to identify the coin.

zoser · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2017, 10:56:53 am »

Nice Shanxi.

I believe it is time to ID coins as unidentificated as Nauman says on his coin, anyway I will leve post likw it is, just in case someone recognises it.

Thanks so so much to everyone how has colaborated.

Akropolis · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2017, 06:14:06 pm »

Dear Zoser:
Well, as promised, I looked through the entire BCD catalog on coins of the Peloponnessos.
So close the Megalopolis...but not quite!
I have taken the liberty of sending your images and the Naumann link to BCD and asked if he has any idea.
I will tell you what he says, if he has the time to get to it.
May all of our great members have a HAPPY and HEALTHY New Year. Nothing else matters,
PeteB

zoser · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2017, 11:37:40 am »

Quote from: Akropolis on January 03, 2017, 06:14:06 pm

Dear Zoser:
Well, as promised, I looked through the entire BCD catalog on coins of the Peloponnessos.
So close the Megalopolis...but not quite!
I have taken the liberty of sending your images and the Naumann link to BCD and asked if he has any idea.
I will tell you what he says, if he has the time to get to it.
May all of our great members have a HAPPY and HEALTHY New Year. Nothing else matters,
PeteB

Thanks so much Pete, looking forward to hearing if there is something is known about

Akropolis · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2017, 04:57:37 pm »

Dear zoser:
Here is what BCD says, and he is the World's greatest expert on the coins of the Pelponnessos:

"I think the monogram on the reverse of this coin is a basic M with the half circle above right standing for R and a horizontal stroke above the left part of the M. This monogram has of course nothing to do with the Arcadian league coins and I therefore suggest a provenance from somewhere on or near the coast of Western Asia Minor."

So, try Western Asia Minor.
Good luck. If I happen to see something, I will post it here
PeteB

zoser · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2017, 05:29:11 pm »

Hi PeteB, thanks so much for your time, I will let you know if I find something too.
Thanks to everyone who has had a look and tried to ID the coin too.

OldMoney · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2017, 10:28:58 pm »

There is a city in Lydia called: TOMARIS

http://wildwinds.com/coins/greece/lydia/tomaris/t.html

However, it seems that there are no matching online
records of a coin with this monogram.

Speculation continues!

Walter Holt

Meepzorp · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2017, 04:42:58 am »

Hi folks,

I've been thinking "TOMAR..." all along. So, I'm glad that Walter wrote his post.

There is another twist. If you turn the "M" sideways, it becomes a

. Just some food for thought. That opens up a whole new batch of possibilities.

Meepzorp

zoser · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2017, 04:46:06 am »

Thanks so much Walter and Meepzorp, I will keep trying to clarifie this mystery

Meepzorp · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2017, 04:50:24 am »

Hi folks,

If you use the "T" twice, it can be "STRATO...".

I think "TOMAR..." and "STRATO..." are the 2 most likely possibilities.

Meepzorp

zoser · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2017, 04:38:36 am »

Hi folks, I have had a look to Tomaris and Stratonikeia and there was no luck, I'll give up so far, maybe one day it will be clarified.

Thanks so much to everyone

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Author Topic: Solt as Argolis but cannot find it (Read 2199 times)

Tomeckk Z