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Offline Mike C2

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Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« on: December 31, 2016, 03:46:23 am »
Dear Board;
Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?is it Hebrew,phoenician?or others letters[arabic??]?
Bronze  square 12mm-5mm[thickness]-5,8g
great thanks for all help

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 01:10:51 pm »
weight corresponds to a two dirham islamic weight. The insignia I am not sure of.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 08:10:38 am »
I posted this item because of this amazing letter close to  Judean_rosh_3

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 08:54:31 pm »
I think that they are individual Arabic letters rendered in kufic script.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 02:32:03 am »
thanks Shawn
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 05:53:47 am »
What an interesting weight. I've never seen such a piece of islamic weight.
I think it is an islamic coin weight to two silver-dirham.
Relation between gold: silver= 10:7 means 2,9 g for one silver dirham.
Later on gold : silver = 3:2 means 2,8 for one silver dirham.
I gues inscription may be a personal name in early Arabic script.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 07:33:05 am »
Great THANKS Basil for your very valuable help
All the bests

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 09:46:20 am »
I can read the Arabic kufic word tamm. Repeated twice which means complete.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 10:42:35 am »
Koufii                   Not very

Tamm                   Yes   on one line            ( See lined word )


The other Tamm                          How ?
There is M   in it yes but not Tamm  


Added ; 2 threads for the same subject ?
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=109642.msg669574#msg669574
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 02:45:52 pm »
Well, Sam, please see the other two letters of "ta" for tamm inside the green circle.
The triangle symbol left in the field is a kind of tamgha or some sort of a motif . ;)
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 02:53:26 pm »
Hi Bakkar, to tell the truth im agree with Sam and were is the TA in the green circle?????
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 03:00:24 pm »
Ok, here it is in red.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 03:05:14 pm »
I must admit a good eye i have not noticed that even  +++  ;D
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 03:08:28 pm »
No way.
This a joke , not Kuffi  ;D.

Honestly , I do not think the object is ancient Kuffi time use .
Reminds me with the objects that been sold in
“Antique stores “ in  Aleppo , Damascus ,Homs ( E' msa) , and ….
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 04:33:26 pm »
Hmmm. , Antique stores product with such ancient patina ?

I dont think this is a proper thread for jokes.

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2017, 05:19:15 pm »
It is NOT تام تام in Kuffi. ( No dots , please , note modern Arabic key board was used)
At least to me , it is not.

By the way how do you know it is authentic patina ?
Do not the edges lines  look  perfect to a  time  Kuffi was used ?

When you say this is Kuffi , I have to say it is a joke.
Why on earth , would the other تا  be like this ?

I am sorry Bakker , I do not agree with you.
I am surprised that you do read it this way , but :

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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2017, 09:10:36 pm »
Bakker , that is impressive, as I expect nothing less about your knowledge.
The point here is why the other “Ta “ looks like this ?
In other words there is no needs for the other “Ta” to be engraved like this , since the other symbol looks like –>  is  obviously  there  to guarantee the perfect weight wanted after engraving the words.
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2017, 01:06:05 am »
Hello Mike, can you stamp the seal on some dough or something for us to see what gets out of it?
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Re: Need Help to ID this square weight with unknown alphabet?
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 02:38:49 am »
I Stamped the item but nothing can be readable because it's lightly engraved.What i can tell you: it's real ancient item with thick authentic patina,no doubt.
Great Thanks for all your comments
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