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Re: More Coins in My Parthian, etc., Gallery
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2017, 06:39:36 pm »
Thanks, Alwin,

the Indo-Parthians and the Kushans are very tempting because of their relatively reasonable prices and their intriguing historical significance. As long as one does not get sucked into developing an interest in Kushan gold I guess one is o.k.

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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2017, 07:23:53 pm »
Hi Schatz,

Some Kushan gold is relatively affordable. I bought this one at a fraction of what you would pay for an aureus or solidus.

Shaka; India, Kushan Empire, uncertain mint; AV Dinar; Gold; 325-345 AD; Obverse: Shaka, facing left, wearing diadem and tall jewelled conical hat, sacrificing over altar and holding ribboned staff; ribboned trident to left; bhi in Brahmi to right of altar, sita in Brahmi below arm, shaka to outer right; Reverse: Ardochsho on high-backed throne with ornate legs, facing, holding diadem in right hand and cradling cornucopia in left arm; tamgha to left; 19.15mm, 7.40 g, 12h; aVF, toned, areas of weak strike at periphery, mounting loop remnants; ANS Kushan 1670; Göbl Kushan 591

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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2017, 01:34:52 pm »


What a lovely coin, Peter. And it looks like a collector's coin, not an investment piece that disappears in a bank vault.

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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2017, 05:15:29 pm »
Thank you Schatz.

It does have remnants of a mounting loop at the top which a previous owner has snapped off. Though I wish I could remove what is left, I have accepted it as part of the overall provenance / story of the coin.

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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2017, 10:06:37 am »
Dear fellow Parthians et al.,
today’s additions are 10 Roman denarii relating to the many military engagements the 2 most powerful empires of their time were involved in:

1 Augustus:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141578;

3 Lucius Verus:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141577,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141576,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141575;

4 Septimius Severus:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141574,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141573,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141571,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141572;

2 Caracalla:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141569,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141570;

I am still looking for a reasonably priced signis receptis AR denarius with Augustusportrait on the obv. and a Macrinus denarius; it will be fun to look out for them.

For corrections of wrong references and other details I would be grateful as my knowledge of Roman coins is practically non-existent and I depended on the seller’s descriptions.

Hope you enjoy looking,
Schatz

P.S.  I have begun to put up some older travel pictures in the Theme Galleries, Ancient Sites, section. they are from 2 trips to Iran in 2004 and 2006 and 1 trip to Pakistan in 2005. Since I did not see any other pictures of Persepolis, etc. I thought the old ones would do for the time being.

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Re: More Coins in My Parthian, etc., Gallery
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2017, 11:43:19 am »
Great additions, Schatz.  These Roman commemorative issues, along with your images of Elymaean, Kushan, Characene, Dahai, Indo-Parthian, etc. coins, really do provide great visual and historical context for your wonderful Parthian collection.  I noted and enjoyed the travel pics when you uploaded them here - as I've enjoyed the "Travelogue" pics and essay at Parthia.com for a long time.  Thanks for sharing - and for the education.

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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2017, 02:42:07 pm »
Again a nice group ,

I really like it..

Congratulation.. +++

 The the "Ancient place " pictures are great, When I was that places long- long ago that time was not easy to do some pictures

now I have some nostalgie... ;) +++

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« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2017, 07:54:35 pm »
Thanks, Robert,

for the thumbs up though I must confess that the concept of coins from surrounding nations/empires certainly is not mine. Fred Shore did a great job in his book and got me interested to look a bit beyond Parthian borders.
I stumbled on my old pictures from Iran and the Karakorum Highway by chance and thought they might be of some interest although they are not brand new. Made meant to do the trips again.

Best wishes as always,
Schatz

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« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2017, 08:01:49 pm »
Hi quadans,

thank you, too, for the compliment. I can well understand that you feel nostalgic about areas you visited a long time ago. When I was there it was not too easy to take pictures either but only because many points of interest were too high to get a decent picture like the Achaemenid graves in Naqsh-e-Rustam or may reliefs in Persepolis, or the ever-present scaffolds in many places where restoration was intended or begun but not progressing.
 
Incidentally, quadrants, I am having a very difficult time to keep up with you gigantic collection. Notice that I am not asking how many coins you possess!

Schatz

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« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2017, 12:17:46 pm »
Oh Schatz thank you  :)

I have to tell you I'm just setting up my old collection, not doing new shopping ... :) +++ ;D


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« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2017, 04:04:11 pm »
Hi, here is the last batch of coins before year’s end. They are 6 Sasanian AR drachms and 1 BI tetradrachm. Recently I posted some travel pics from Iran in the MembersGallery Home, Ancient Sites Photo Gallery. They are of Sasanian rock reliefs in Naqsh-e-Rustam and Naqsh-e-Rajab. I will put the links to them below the relevant coin links, and those for which I have no fitting coins will be at the end of the link list.

Ardashir I, BI tdr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142149;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141867;
Ardashir I, AR dr.:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142187;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142247;
Shahpur I, AR dr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142162;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141869;
Hormizd II, AR dr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142170;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141874;
Shahpur II,  AR dr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142147;
Peroz I, AR dr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142144;
Khosrow II, AR dr:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142143;

other relief pics:
Bahram II:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141870;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141871;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141872;
Narseh:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-141873;

I readily admit to not knowing a lot about Sasanian coins, but fortunately my copy of Göbls ‘Sasanian Numismatics’ has reappeared, and I will try to decipher the Pahlavi legends with its help and insert them into the existing descriptions in my gallery.  Perhaps you still enjoy looking at these extraordinary coins. I think the fierceness of the portraits is only trumped by that on the Hunnic coinage.

Wonderful holidays to all and a fantastic New Year,
Schatz
 

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Re: More Coins in My Parthian, etc., Gallery
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2017, 05:10:34 pm »
A great collection you have. I do not own any Sassanian coins yet but may draw inspiration from what I have seen in your collection.

Thank you for sharing it with us.

Peter

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« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2017, 03:50:00 pm »
I agree nice Sassanian coins ... :) ;) +++

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« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2017, 10:18:13 am »
Thanks, Peter, and quadrans.

Yes, I, too, felt my curiosity about Sasanian coins surging. They are quite spectacular, and many are still affordable. They do require some study of script and symbolism but that should be a pleasure.

Schatz

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« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2017, 09:53:20 pm »
That's some gorgeous silver. Is there any gold in your collection?

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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2017, 04:13:48 pm »
No, Peter,

(sorry for the late response). I have no Sasanian gold, no Kushan gold either.  When I decided to go for Parthians, one of my motives was to avoid the temptation of (expensive) gold coins.  There are no known Parthian gold coins - although Dr Assar would beg to differ.  Mind you, silver and bronze coins can have a pretty big price tag as well.

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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2017, 05:01:31 pm »
ABCD,

sorry for calling you Peter. Don't know why. Must have looked at an earlier post out of the corner of my eye.

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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2017, 05:07:24 pm »

A happy New Year to all -

may all coin dreams come true and everything else be all right as well.

While I am trying to complete the Parthian Related Coins section of my gallery by adding some Western Hun coins I played around a little, putting some attractive or typical Parthians and some ancient sites in the Members’ Galleries and gathering other coins under the heading ‘My Ugliest Parthians’ in a separate gallery chapter. The latter is more of a New Year’s eve joke, but the number of unflattering obverses is really quite striking. Not all can be attributed to the Eastern celators’ lack of skill, although this may often be enough reason for missing upper jaws or enormous noses. Yet one wonders if some portraits were willfully created as caricatures (and if the rulers did not mind?) Well, we will probably never know.
On this occasion let me thank all of you for looking at my postings, for leaving kind commentaries and generally being tremendously helpful. In the same breath I apologize for looking at the Forum website too sporadically and not taking enough time to open your galleries regularly or responding to your postings. Often they are weeks old when I finally see them and then everything that needed saying has been said. I will do better  in the New Year!

Now here are the uglies:
Leading the pack is Mithradates I with 3 drachms that seem to place emphasis on his puckered lips and prominent chin:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118154;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118199;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118200;

Phraates II looks as if he did not put in his dentures before the modelling session:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118325;

whereas Artabanos I looks as if he has had a bad night:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118472;

Mithradates II looks as if he has been privy to a preview of this portrait:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118585;
and here taken aback at something:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118587
here all nose and no neck:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-118914;
and on this fourreé like a harmless old geezer:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119013

this Gotarzes I (Sinatrukes) probably wins the  golden palm as my ugliest coin. He must have forgotten to slip in his dentures:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119526;

Not much prettier was Orodes I:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119615;
here he looks quite devious:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119626;
here not amused:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119619;
a problem with the dentures again:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119621;  Orodes I is a strong contender for the golden palm as well;

The Unknown King probably has the most bulbous nose in the business. The fact that there are so many similar depictions of him leads one to think that he really looked like this:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119727;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119722;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119718;

to be continued.

Again, all the best for the coming year,
Schatz










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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2018, 09:02:26 am »
Hi out there,

here are more uglies - didn’t anyone check the dies before these were struck and circulated?
 
The grumpiest, most intimidating portrait in my collection:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120764;

this one looks as if it were struck in a great hurry:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120765;

on many drachms Mithradates III and his brother Orodes II look as if they had a congenital goiter:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120498;
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-121842;

3501
The same cone-shaped head as the Orodes II drachm, this one looks wild and frightening:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-121982.

Schatz

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« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2018, 12:30:20 pm »
Again some nice group of coins, Schatz:)

 Congratulation  +++

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« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2018, 01:15:29 pm »
Great new set, Schatz.  The Phraates IV is exceptional.  Btw, you have that coin listed erroneously as Orodes II in your last post.

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« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2018, 07:31:16 pm »
Fascinating set of uglies Schatz!  Thanks for sharing!  I will say that on the reverse of the first PIII coin it looks like the archer is sitting on the head of a duck!!!

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« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2018, 12:35:14 pm »
A few more uglies before we get to my (relatively) new Parthian acquisitions. Many of the portraits of drachms from Eastern mints (mostly located in today’s Afghanistan) seem taken out of a  comic strip with their exaggerated features or disproportional head shapes like the ones showing Phraates IV, Phraatakes, and Artabanos II. As a rule, the neck is overly sturdy, the top of the head above the diadem shrunken:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-122104,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-122590.

Other likenesses of Artabanos II show a punched-in mouth area or a missing upper jaw:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124262,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124293.

A group of BI drachms, generally minted in Nisa or Mithradatkart appear to have had their dies cut after children’s drawings. They show Gotarzes II, Vardanes II, and Vologases I with long straight noses, sometimes missing or shortened upper jaws, and a bewildered expression. Here is one of the nicer  examples:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124423.

A handful of diobols probably minted in Persis have rather unflattering portraits of an old man (Vologases II) or very sketchy ones (Pakoros II):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124780,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124925,

These obv dies that look as if they were cut in a great hurry, combined with almost meaningless reverses can also be found with drachms of Pakoros II, most likely also stemming from a (inofficial ?) mint in Persis:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124923,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-124924.

Although many well done portraits of Sellwood’s Vologases III exist, there is the occasional slip up:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-125396.

Some tetras are also amazingly unappealing, not always for lack of celator skill. This Sellw. 30.2 is well-cut with great detail, but not exactly flattering:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119660,
Vologases V on the other hand issued beautiful facing drachms, but he seems to have abandoned any supervision over the production of his tetras:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-126069.

Enough ugliness. There are many reasons for it, first of all that today, we may have a different idea about what is attractive. Also, the breathtaking skill of the Greek celators declined and disappeared rapidly after the establishment of the Parthian Empire. Other valid explanations are that coins were minted hurriedly during military campaigns,  in hiding as inofficial or forged currency, or with more primitive equipment in the mountains of Afghanistan.

So, here are some recently acquired Parthian tetras:

1 Orodes II which attracted my attention with its somewhat debonair portrait of a younger king:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143676,

1 Vologases II tdr of which I have but a few - which is not really surprising as he just had about 3 years in which to issue coins:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143679;

and a rare Pakoros II tdr which I had on my wanted list for years. One of its previous owners seems to have scoured it with a brillo:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143681.

That’s all for today, and probably for a while,

thanks again for showing interest,
Schatz

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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2018, 01:34:01 pm »
You have a great gallery. Even the uglies have their charm. Seeing all the Parthian coins posted recently has awakened an interest in this coinage, which segues with my recent involvement with the Elymaeans. But, alas, I am spread thin enough at the moment. Stkp

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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2018, 02:46:30 pm »
I agree with Stkp great new coins put  your Gallery... :o :o ;) :) +++

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