Author Topic: Gold, "O" mint, column and Republicans added (Read 20925 times)

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 28, 2017, 09:13:32 pm »

Much appreciated Joe! The tag actually says IIIb but that must have been a typo because he clearly doesn't have a spear and holds the dagger.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 08, 2017, 02:40:44 pm »

Added a Vespasian denarius with bull reverse RIC 841. Sources say it is scarce but I've had quite the time trying to track one of these down. I think it's quite rare. The same type is much more common for Titus.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134838

Have a look!

David Atherton · « **Reply #52 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:25:36 pm »

Very nice example of the type!

However, I will quibble with the 'bull' attribution. I'm in no respects a farmer, but I think that is certainly a cow! To be fair, the sex of the animal on more than a few dies is questionable. The only conclusions I've reached about it is that the Titus Caesar examples tend to show a 'bull', while Vespasian's depict a 'cow'. And Mattingly's 'Cow of Myron' conjecture is most certainly wrong.

Also, IMHO, the Titus Caesar 'bull' is slightly rarer than Vespasian's 'cow'.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:31:58 pm »

Thanks David. I've heard the different theories between cows and bulls. Some like mine quite clearly show horns, others it's not so clear.

From my searches for the type I've seen the opposite, Titus is easier to find than the Vespasian!

Although I don't have a Titus...

David Atherton · « **Reply #54 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:37:10 pm »

Quote from: Jay GT4 on February 08, 2017, 04:31:58 pm

Thanks David. I've heard the different theories between cows and bulls. Some like mine quite clearly show horns, others it's not so clear.

And it doesn't help, depending on the breed, cows can have horns! Which of course does not make it any easier sorting these reverse types out.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 08, 2017, 04:41:01 pm »

Cows with horns, never heard that. Some research is in order on the types of Roman cows!

David Atherton · « **Reply #56 on:** February 08, 2017, 10:32:41 pm »

Quote from: Jay GT4 on February 08, 2017, 04:41:01 pm

Cows with horns, never heard that. Some research is in order on the types of Roman cows!

To be honest, I never knew cows could have horns too until I researched the type a few years ago. I was trying to find a true Vespasian 'bull', but never did. In the new RIC the type is described as a 'heifer' for Vespasian and 'bull' for Titus Caesar, although they admit the sex can be ambiguous.

To give an idea what we should be looking for when trying to find a 'bull' reverse, take a look at my Titus Caesar specimen. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-49947

I don't think I need to point out why it's a bull!

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 08, 2017, 10:58:43 pm »

Nice example David.

You may be right that it's simply an agricultural type and could be either a bull or cow. It fits in with the yoked oxen from COS VIII and other agricultural reverses.

David Atherton · « **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:05:24 pm »

Thanks Jay.

It's possible the 'yoked oxen' type is a reference to Vespasian extending the pomerium, but that is a topic for another thread!

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2017, 11:24:21 pm »

He did like to copy old types.

It would be interesting to compare the two side by side with a write up of the theories of why they were copied. I need to research the copy of the Antony prow type since it combines my two collecting interests.

Randygeki(h2) · « **Reply #60 on:** February 10, 2017, 02:38:45 am »

Great example Jay!

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 14, 2017, 12:16:06 pm »

Thanks guys.

Don't know why it's taken so long to take a better picture of this coin:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134938

Life-time drachm of Alexander III. Much better photo!

Randygeki(h2) · « **Reply #62 on:** February 14, 2017, 02:12:16 pm »

Great pic Jay

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 15, 2017, 01:35:24 pm »

Thanks!

Finally got around to taking a photo of an itaglio I've had for many years. Beautiful blue with what I believe to be Asclepius:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134983

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 20, 2017, 12:06:08 am »

Added a two for one to my collection today. A Vespasian denarius which copies the reverse of Antony:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135148

Rare.

quadrans · « **Reply #65 on:** February 20, 2017, 01:05:23 am »

Great coin Jay..

Q.

Canaan · « **Reply #66 on:** February 20, 2017, 01:54:01 am »

Whhat a great addition congrats Jay.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 20, 2017, 11:21:13 am »

Thanks guys. I have the original Antony but only as a fouree. Hunting for them is most of the fun!

Randygeki(h2) · « **Reply #68 on:** February 20, 2017, 02:03:04 pm »

A nice addition! I agree, half the fun is searching for coins. Good luck ^_^

David Atherton · « **Reply #69 on:** February 20, 2017, 04:52:12 pm »

Congrats Jay on your new Vespasian! Not as common in trade as the RIC frequency rating of 'common' indicates!

Now, all you need is the left facing portrait example.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:38:02 pm »

Traded in a bunch of Antony denarii yesterday to upgrade my collection. I think I did well with a couple from Vespasian's funeral procession:

Eastern denarius of Vespasian "World Peace":
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135266

Divine Vespasian in Quadriga:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135267

Divine Vespasian urn and Laurels:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135268

Constantine URBS ROMA nice sand patina:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135269

Constantine Sol Invictus London mint:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135270

Randygeki(h2) · « **Reply #71 on:** February 26, 2017, 02:41:04 pm »

Great coins Jay

quadrans · « **Reply #72 on:** February 26, 2017, 03:29:31 pm »

Great series Jay

The Favians and the Sol of Constantine

Regards
Q.

Jay GT4 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 26, 2017, 09:56:11 pm »

Thanks guys! Just noticed, it looks like the reverse of the urn and laurels is a die match to the one I already have!

Randygeki(h2) · « **Reply #74 on:** February 27, 2017, 04:02:38 am »

That's cool

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