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Offline Nathan L

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Modified: Athens Bronze. Amphora. Unknown Obverse.
« on: September 13, 2016, 09:27:32 pm »
I have looked at this a long time.  To me, it appears to be a bull, standing in profile looking at the viewer.  The reverse could be a pot, tripod, or lyre.  I have had no success.

Thanks!

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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 05:58:46 pm »
Could also be an ear of barley or grain.  Reminds me of the coinage of Iaitos, though I cannot find that symbol/letter in the field.

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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 12:00:22 pm »
The 'obverse' image is very much off-centred, and may initially
prove difficult to firmly determine.
However, your reverse image (presently inverted) quite clearly
shows an amphora with the letters: A - Θ/E

Your coin is therefore from Athens, and now the obverse can
subsequently be narrowed down to a couple of possibilities:
Cicada - this appears to be most unlikely (no legs, wings, etc.).
Apollo - does the image appear to show the back of a head?
The latter appears to be the most likely possibility, given the
image and information to hand.

If so, then it is Kroll, Agora XXVI 105.

I could not immediately locate any online images, and so I
had to resort to grabbing a screen-shot of a 1999 auction
catalogue which had a large collection of Athenian bronze
coins as one of its features.

This may at least point you in the right direction.

Walter Holt
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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 12:10:08 pm »
Wow, thank you.   Goodness,  I was off.   Making a cicada into a bull.   I will take better photos tonight and work this excellent tip.

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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 01:13:04 pm »
Hi folks,

Yes, I agree with Walter.

As soon as I looked at the reverse, I also thought it is an amphora.

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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 02:01:29 pm »
Thank you,  MeepZorp.  Excited about looking at it tonight.

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Re: Bull? Greek coin?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 09:50:01 pm »
All right.  I have spent hours trying to figure this out.  It is absolutely Athens, but no matter how much I try, I cannot see Apollo.  If anything, it looks more like a cicada (though I still see a bull.  See the red highlighting I did.)  Is it possible that this is an imitative issue?  After all, Athenian silver was widely imitated throughout the eastern Mediterranean.

Thanks!!!  I am very intrigued and excited.

Nathan

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Re: Modified: Athens Bronze. Amphora. Unknown Obverse.
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2016, 03:25:18 am »

Here are the 2 amphora coins in one picture:

( https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=376772 )


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Re: Modified: Athens Bronze. Amphora. Unknown Obverse.
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2016, 09:35:02 am »
To me,  it looks like a weakly struck cicada.  Other than that,  I am stumped.  I greatly appreciate all the help I have received.

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Re: Modified: Athens Bronze. Amphora. Unknown Obverse.
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2016, 10:09:59 am »
Using the above image from acsearch and a little bit of
manipulating of your own image, I have been able to
overlay your very much off-centred coin on top of the
similar coin from the M&M 21 lot.
It is by no means an exact match, but it does give you
an indication of what you should look for (and see!).
You should now be able to see the many points that
are in common with both obverses (and how much is
missing). All you have is the back of the Apollo's head.

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Re: Modified: Athens Bronze. Amphora. Unknown Obverse.
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2016, 05:55:58 pm »
I believe that is it!   Thanks a bunch.

 

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