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Offline Steven W

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What is a "Unit"?
« on: May 06, 2016, 02:29:13 pm »
I assume this is a rookie question, and I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere in the forum or on this site. I have scoured both (and the internet), but haven't found a definitive answer.  I've seen some (mostly Greek seemingly) coins in auctions described as "AE Unit." I know that AE refers to the metal (bronze), but what is a "unit."  The closest I can find is that that a Unit=an As. I've also seen references to half units, quarter units, fifth units etc.  I assume that this has something to do with the weight of the coin, but haven't been able to confirm that notion, or found anything that shows what weights correspond.

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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2016, 02:41:38 pm »
You're on the right track.  Like an As in Roman Republican coins, a "unit" is what numismatists call the coin denomination that they think formed the basis for the monetary system / weight standard of the issuing authority, and from which fractional and/or multiple denominations would have been measured and produced. The term "unit" is often used when we have no certainty of the actual, ancient name of that denomination..

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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2016, 03:32:26 pm »
Thanks very much.  That is helpful.

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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2016, 04:36:07 pm »
A unit is half of two units and double a half unit. I don't mean that to be snarky. In coin descriptions, it usually is just a way of saying there are different contemporary (usually bronze) denominations, this seems to be the primary one, and we don't know the actual name or value of the denominations.
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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 05:38:49 am »
Hi Steven

In many cases a "unit" represents a monetary value that we suspect exists but can't prove because of a lack of value marks or literary references. Many eastern bronzes under Roman influence are believed to represent asses or fractions or multiples thereof, but we can't be sure - and we also might be wrong, as perhaps they represent obols / fractions / multiples, or maybe both in cases where a drachm was valued near to a denarius, the same bronze coin might represent an obol or alternately two or three asses. We can't be sure. Academic writers who plump for one or other terminology generally get criticised by those with an opposite or agnostic view. So there's an increasing tendency to play safe and write "unit". In some cases, the use of "unit" masks a serious uncertainty, for example in early Roman coinage there are bronze coins that have traditionally been considered token (fiduciary, overvalued relative to their metal value) and described as litrae or fractions or multiples thereof in the Greek style. Some modern scholars are not so sure and think these may just be intrinsically valued fractions of the aes grave currency and actually unciae or fractions thereof. One or the other view must be wrong. So, play it safe and call them "units" and no-one argues.

Really excellent question by the way. +++ Welcome to Forum, I see these were your first posts.

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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 08:34:55 am »
Thank you all very much for you replies.  I think I've got a handle on it now.

Thanks also for the welcome.  My wife brought me two coins from Rome, and I think I've been "bitten." I've been on this site ever since learning a great deal!

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Re: What is a "Unit"?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 09:58:49 pm »
Half a double unit!

OMG!  that was so funny even though it wasn't....   


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