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Offline L.e.

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Probus new addition
« on: April 28, 2016, 06:31:12 am »
Hi! I want to share with you my new add. A Probus antoninianus, Ticinum mint.

This bust type is not recorded by RIC, and seems to be rare.


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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 06:32:17 am »
Very nice and bold details  :D
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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 06:46:03 am »
Thanks Eric   :)

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 09:16:04 am »
An interesting compositional difficulty: the left and right halves of the scepter over shoulder are out of kilter so wouldn't properly meet in the middle.

The right half seems more to be a continuation of the bottom of the inner wreath tie rather than of the left half of the scepter.
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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 11:00:13 am »
Yes, I also noticed this peculiarly!

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2016, 01:46:50 pm »
Hi! I want to share with you my new add. A Probus antoninianus, Ticinum mint.

This bust type is not recorded by RIC, and seems to be rare.



Yes indeed this type is rare, but not completely unknown.
I registered 5 similar coins : 2 Vienna, 1 Paris, 1 Budapest, 1 London.
Yours shares its obverse die with the one in the British Museum. Here below is the coin in London.
You'll notice on both coins that the figure on the reverse is feminine, ie Roma, pictured as an Amazon, right breast nude.
It has nothing to do with a "soldier" as RIC V.2, 434-445 describes it.
The Romans have a problem with the word Virtus, which is feminine in gender, but derives from vir and denotes the virile qualities, especially in war.
The mint of Ticinum has chosen in its 4th officina to illustrate "the Emperor's virtue" with the representation of Roma as an Amazon, but with the figure of Mars walking left and hording trophy and spear in its 1rst officina...
It is rather funny to realize that we Modern have a still more serious problem with virtus: we distorted the word in the most absurd way, making "virtue" the principal quality of woman, in the sense of modesty and chastity, when the Latin word means exactly the opposite, and forgetting that women, technically, cannot be virtuous...
Sylviane Estiot


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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2016, 01:48:57 pm »


.... Sorry, the picture of the obverse doesn't appear on my post. Here it is.


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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 08:16:10 am »
Nice ones,

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 10:34:59 pm »
Nice ones,

 I agree nice and interesting coin both..

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 08:21:47 am »
Hi! I want to share with you my new add. A Probus antoninianus, Ticinum mint.

This bust type is not recorded by RIC, and seems to be rare.



Yes indeed this type is rare, but not completely unknown.
I registered 5 similar coins : 2 Vienna, 1 Paris, 1 Budapest, 1 London.
Yours shares its obverse die with the one in the British Museum. Here below is the coin in London.
You'll notice on both coins that the figure on the reverse is feminine, ie Roma, pictured as an Amazon, right breast nude.
It has nothing to do with a "soldier" as RIC V.2, 434-445 describes it.
The Romans have a problem with the word Virtus, which is feminine in gender, but derives from vir and denotes the virile qualities, especially in war.
The mint of Ticinum has chosen in its 4th officina to illustrate "the Emperor's virtue" with the representation of Roma as an Amazon, but with the figure of Mars walking left and hording trophy and spear in its 1rst officina...
It is rather funny to realize that we Modern have a still more serious problem with virtus: we distorted the word in the most absurd way, making "virtue" the principal quality of woman, in the sense of modesty and chastity, when the Latin word means exactly the opposite, and forgetting that women, technically, cannot be virtuous...
Sylviane Estiot



Sorry for the delay of my answer, but I see this post only now! Thank you for the information and the explanation of the figure on the reverse: usually one does not pay attention to this, but in fact it is an amazon and not a soldier.

"we distorted the word in the most absurd way, making "virtue" the principal quality of woman, in the sense of modesty and chastity, when the Latin word means exactly the opposite, and forgetting that women, technically, cannot be virtuous..."

Yes I agree with you, funny, at least.

Thanks also to jason and quadrans!
 

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 02:43:52 pm »
A very nice addition L.E congrats!

Just for comparison, the same type also exists with a helmeted bust.

Best,
Simon


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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 02:47:52 pm »
Nice one Simon.. +++

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Re: Probus new addition
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 06:02:35 am »
Quote from: Julianus of Pannonia on June 27, 2016, 02:43:52 pm
A very nice addition L.E congrats!

Just for comparison, the same type also exists with a helmeted bust.

Best,
Simon




Thanks Simon,

ver nice coin!

 

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