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Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« on: February 02, 2016, 04:01:33 pm »
Hi all.  I've been lurking this forum and the community at large for over a year now, off and on, trying to soak in as much I can.  This truly is a great site.  I come to the hobby from the perspective of an armchair historian and delight in the prospect of being able to hold a tangible piece of history in my hand.

I've heard rumblings of an over-priced market from the start, but it seems to my novice eyes that even in just the year I've been paying attention, the market has taken a significant hit or climb (depending on your perspective).  For example, I can remember following Greek silver and while it has always been expensive, it is now more so, and more significantly, much scarcer.  Roman sestertius is another example that stands out.  Admittedly, I'm simply using my own questionable memory as references, but do these trends resonate with you more experienced types?

I should be clear that I'm not looking to get into the hobby for investment purposes and a coin that is common would be no deterrent for me.  In fact, a common coin has more appeal because it means that it was likely common in the ancient past which is the sort of thing that tingles my history geek nerve.  Could this be a saving grace, as it seems that investment type rarities are taking much more of a hit than common cheaper types?  For example, it seems the the more common Imperial denarius have been relatively more steady.

In short, I'm asking what's your all opinion of the market is as it stands in early 2016?  Has there been an accelerated climb recently and if so what part of the market has it affected most?  Are we in a bubble and is this now to best time to take up this hobby?

Also, I often hear about trends at auction.  I wonder if anyone has any links of such auctions?  I understand they can be viewed in real-time over the interwebs and I would love to tune into a few.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2016, 04:38:49 pm »
Welcome to the Forvm. I'm a bit confused because on the one hand you say you are not interested in ancients as an investment, but on the other hand you seem really concerned  about market fluctuations, etc.

I think you should give yourself a modest monthly coin budget based on your financial situation and buy whatever you find appealing.  After a little while and once your interests develop you can reasses.


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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2016, 05:38:05 pm »
Welcome to the Forvm. I'm a bit confused because on the one hand you say you are not interested in ancients as an investment, but on the other hand you seem really concerned  about market fluctuations, etc.

Hi and thanks Molinari. I see what you mean and both those statements are true.

I do care about the price I'd buy them at. I do not care (relatively speaking) about the price I'd sell them at.  I don't envision selling them at all (perhaps pass them down?) but I have no crystal ball of course.  If the price went down I would not be sad that I'm losing my investment, I'd be happy that the hobby got cheaper.  Conversely if the price went up I would not be happy that I made money, I'd be disappointed that the hobby was more expensive. I'm just worried the hobby is getting overwhelmingly expressive (for someone like me) and if I knew for a fact (and nobody could) that it would be significantly cheaper a few years from now perhaps I'd wait till then... perhaps.

Another way to put it is I don't have to be an investor to be bummed that there is less available and coins are harder to acquire (more expensive).

I think you should give yourself a modest monthly coin budget based on your financial situation and buy whatever you find appealing.  After a little while and once your interests develop you can reasses.

Ultimately your right and thats likely exactly what I'll do.  Truthfully I am over thinking things and the answer to these questions will likely not change my actions much, or I should say might change the quality and quantity, but not the passion.  I'm sure I'll be buying my first coin soon!  I guess I'm curious if nothing else.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2016, 05:50:44 pm »
I don't think it is a bubble. Bubbles are caused by a excessive demand based on investor speculation that prices will keep rising. That is not happening. Demand is now still lower than it was before the great recession. The rise in prices is due to a decrease in supply. 
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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2016, 06:13:31 pm »
Now is the time to start, there is no reason to delay. Most of us wish we had started earlier than we did regardless of when we started. Dive in, have a good time, and don't worry about it too much. Everything you need to know and learn will come to you organically, the only things you need supply are time, interest, and a little money (though you can enjoy this hobby nearly for free, if you don't need to actually possess any coins). My best advice would be to relax, learn, and be willing to make some wrong turns along the way. Good and bad, it's all part of the experience. Just by being here and asking questions, you are already on the right track. Welcome to the addiction!  ;)


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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 07:32:39 pm »
That's a good point about "mistakes".  My first coin was a horribly corroded Late Roman Bronze that I grossly overpaid for at a flea market. But when I think about it, I probably stared at that coin longer than any other coin in my collection.  I don't think I ever nailed down the attribution but I scrolled through a lot of wildwinds pages looking.  That was a really enjoyable experience and well worth the price.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 09:45:16 pm »
Now is the time to start, there is no reason to delay. Most of us wish we had started earlier than we did regardless of when we started.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 12:33:41 am »
all of the above, my coins are far from a investment money wise, they are though a investment in a path about learning reading and exploring the world, maybe in person maybe by research. The amount of time I have invested in reading, photographing, books, and researching money wise I could have done much with I suppose. Its a love just like my skiing, paddling and gardening that I do.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2016, 09:33:48 am »
Welcome to the discussion board!  From what I gather you are trying to make a conscious effort to investigate before you get into what could be an expensive hobby.  I'm sure many here have gotten ripped-off quite badly at one point or another, and likely started on the 'flea-bay'.  I could not stress more that you should spend at least a bit of time looking into the dozen or so tell-tale signs of what identifies a fake.  I use Forvm's shop as one of my few dealers that I can truly trust - the 'online mall' you had mentioned has some dealers that make me quite cautious at times.  Big auctions seem to lead you to buy a few coins at a time due to the fees.  Greek coins will generally be in rougher shape when compared to what you can afford in Roman coins.

If you are anything like me and wish to collect purely from the historical point of view and wish to have nice coins to start and not necessarily rare I'll give you my starter Roman suggestions;)  They will quickly impress you and others, and then you can eventually dive-in deeper or pick a theme as many do.  Also you might wish to try some of the uncleaned lots.  They are cheap, exciting, and you get to learn the skill of attributing them rather than buying an already made flip description.  Send me a private message and I'll can suggest more on uncleaned coins.

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Roman suggestions based on type:

Denarius


Severus Alexander
Philip I

Sestertius

Gordian III
Severus Alexander
Julia Mamea
Faustina I
Maximinus I (based off of his great facial features, but slightly more)

Large follis

Diocletian
Galerius

Antoninianus

Gordian III
Philip I
Gallienus (silvered)

As

Hadrian

Dupondius

Domitian


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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 04:29:52 pm »
Hi Moneta,

Don't try to "time the market". It's all about "time spent in the market". This is the same advice given to people looking to enter the stock market.

You should start collecting ancient coins when you feel ready. Don't worry about whether the market is up or down. If you collect ancient coins long enough, you should pass through several up/down cycles.

It is good to see that you are not interested in buying them for investment potential. You should buy them because you love them and enjoy collecting them.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 08:42:36 pm »
I don't think it is a bubble. Bubbles are caused by a excessive demand based on investor speculation that prices will keep rising. That is not happening. Demand is now still lower than it was before the great recession. The rise in prices is due to a decrease in supply.  

Regarding the last two points you make, readers may be interested in the following article written a few years ago by a Canadian numismatic dealer summarizing his observations of the dynamics of ancient coin supply. The last three paragraphs are germane to the points you make.

I see no reason to doubt his observations and logic, which would suggest that now is a better time to get into the hobby than hoping against probability for a return to the good old days of yore.

The Evolving Ancient Coin Market
by Robert Kokotailo


One has to look carefully at the timing of these things to see what is really happening. Here is a brief history as I understand it, as to how the market has recently evolved in ancient coins.

Prior 1975 probably about 70% of the coins on the market were recycle of old collections, and 30% chance finds from construction, river erosion, field walking, etc. Exact percentages are hard to pin down, but that is somewhere in the ball park.
The introduction of effective metal detectors about 1975 very quickly changed the percentages to about 70% fresh finds, and 30% combined recycle of old collections and chance finds. The number of coins from collections and chance finds did not diminish, it was simply an increased total supply due to metal detector finds. This happened mostly in Britain and western Europe so large hoards of Roman and western Greek coins, including coins from Italy and some from Greece, were what was available and prices for those fell. We did not see a lot Roman colonial or Eastern Greek coins.

About 1979 the US Government changed a law allowing rare coins to be included in those tax deductible retirement savings portfolio's. Hucksters promoted it and many people who knew nothing about coins bought anything the promoters offered, creating a huge demand driving prices sky high. Common decent Gordian III antoniniani were $125 with someone even attempting to create a futures market for them. Coins of all types, not just ancient, were driven to very high prices. A lot of real collectors sat on the side lines during this period. Late in 1980 or early in 1981 the US repealed that law disallowing coins in those investment plans, creating a market crash that hit bottom between 1982 to 1983. Those $125 Gordian III ant's fell to about $12.50, and much of the rest of the market did similar things. When the market hit that bottom about 1983, collectors jumped in again and the market began to recover.

Around 1985 Britain and western Europe had been very heavily metal detected and finds started dropping. With the reduced availability prices began to rise. The percentage of coins on the market from old collections started to become a bigger factor, although metal detector hoards were still appearing, just in smaller numbers. The market hit a peak about 1990.
In 1991 the iron curtain fell and everything changed. During 1991 and 1992 there was a flood of coins out of eastern Europe, which were the thousands of hoards found and held by families not willing to take the risk involved in getting them out during the previous 60 years of communist rule. These were mostly the types of coins found in the Balkans, so huge hoards of 3th century AE antoniniani, colonial bronzes, 2nd and 3rd century denarii, new style Athenian tetradrachms, Alexander tetradrachms, etc.

Between 1993 and 1995 metal detectors flooded into those regions and fresh hoards began appearing on the market in large numbers, continuing until about 2001. This was the period of cheap coins because there were just too many coins for the collector market to absorb them all. That was partially alleviated by the appearance of eBay with the wider marketing to an entire new group of collectors it allowed. If you had been at a major coin show in the US or Britain at that time, you would have seen many new hoards offered at every show. By about 2001 most of those easy finds had been found, and the number of hoards diminished rapidly over the next few years. With reduced availability, prices started to rise. By 2010 one could go to a major coin show, and sometimes no new hoards would be offered. Dealers started to notice they were having a great deal of trouble replacing their inventory. Prices were rising.

Since 2010, the supply of new hoards had dramatically dropped as they had simply running out of places to look. Recycle of collections is again becoming the dominate source of coins on the market.

Going forward I feel a few prediction are possible. Metal detecting will continue to diminish as a source of new coins, because all the easy finds have now been made, and there are no new areas that will eventually come open that have not yet been searched. It will probably never drop to zero, but will never again be like it was prior to 2001. Chance finds will also diminish because many of the hoards found by metal detectors between 1975 and 2001 are the hoards that would have been chance finds over the next 200 years had metal detectors never been invented. The primary source of coins on the market will from here on out will be recycle of collections.

Taken together, this means that availability of ancient coins had already dropped significantly from the 2001 highs, and will continue to drop. Prices have already risen to a point it is driving some collectors out of the market, and so with the reduced availability we are also seeing some reduction in demand, although that is more true for the cheaper types of coins (serious wealth collectors are still there). I believe it will take 10 to 15 years for things to really stabilize, and it will take the form of reduced demand and prices for the more common material, but high end coins will go higher. I guess in 10 to 15 years we will know.
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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2016, 12:27:38 pm »
Thanks @n.igma for posting the article. I have read it before but it was definitely worth re-reading. I have met Robert and have found him to be very knowledgable concerning the market and also about ancient coins in general.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 12:45:44 pm »
Robert's analysis seems right.

I, for one, am quite happy to be reverting to the old steady state of coins generally coming from old collections, steady prices (inexpensive for lower grade material, expensive for good quality and/or well provenanced coins) and with very knowledgeable collectors who know about rarity and provenance, without the chance of pots of shiny new FDC pieces flooding the market and causing a disconnect between perceptions of value and availability. It's sadly not going to be great for the numismatic trade, but there are still billions of ancient coins around, so there should be no problem for collectors so long as those on tight budgets become once again happy to collect pieces in Fine condition. If you examine the sale catalogues from specialist collectors from long back such as that of Edward Sydenham, or the Duke of Northumberland, you find them stuffed full of very ordinary condition but rare pieces. I liked that.

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2016, 01:08:13 pm »
Robert's analysis seems right.

I, for one, am quite happy to be reverting to the old steady state of coins generally coming from old collections, steady prices (inexpensive for lower grade material, expensive for good quality and/or well provenanced coins) and with very knowledgeable collectors who know about rarity and provenance, without the chance of pots of shiny new FDC pieces flooding the market and causing a disconnect between perceptions of value and availability. It's sadly not going to be great for the numismatic trade, but there are still billions of ancient coins around, so there should be no problem for collectors so long as those on tight budgets become once again happy to collect pieces in Fine condition. If you examine the sale catalogues from specialist collectors from long back such as that of Edward Sydenham, or the Duke of Northumberland, you find them stuffed full of very ordinary condition but rare pieces. I liked that.

I agree with every letter of Andrew's post.  Many of my 100 favorite coins are just Fine.   'Nice' coins will always sell for more than 'un-nice' ones but it remains to be seen if the recent trend for high dollar coins increasing at a great rate while lower end items decline or, at best, hold steady will continue.  If you, in fact not words, are not in it for the money, it makes little difference.  If you buy coins with the same kind of money you spend going to a movie or vacation and not the kind of money you intend to use to send the kids to college.  Over the years I have spent thousands of dollars on coins and thousands of dollars on fast food that is bad for me.  The fast food may cause a heart attack; don't let worrying about your coins value give you one. 

Collectors like me have a problem that is not in common with dealers or investors.  I have coins I no longer want at any given moment.  Perhaps I'll have a few; perhaps a few hundred depending on my attitude at that moment.  I have trouble telling a new collector that he should pay me $20 for a coin I bought for $10 in 1990 because, to me, the purchase back then was a bit of a mistake in terms of cash.  If I sell it for the $10 but have to cover expenses like postage, Paypal or buying a table at a coin show, I may as well give them away.  A friend recently commented that he could not even give some of these things away because he did not know anyone who wanted them.  Sure he could 'give' them to someone who would put them up on eBay but some of us would just prefer to stash them away and chalk it up to 'education'. 

There is where my opinion come to a peak.  IF we were REALLY into the things because we liked coins and found them educational or interesting AND if we bought them with money we did not spend at Taco Bell or Disneyland, we have nothing to complain about.  The influx of new hoard coins has made it a rare occurrence for a dealer to ask if I have anything to sell.  If the market returns to being supplied mostly by old collections, this may change.  For the time being, I can not expect you to pay me the $10 I paid in 1990 so I can not expect a dealer to want them either.  My suggestion to you is to buy what you like for prices you find comfortable and hold off being a wheeler dealer until you know enough to make a wise decision.  If you buy something for an amount that matches the enjoyment you get from owning it (some will take longer than others to pay off their cost) you may actually be more interested in the coins than what they are worth.    If you do not sell the coins but leave that task to your grandchildren,  perhaps your only risk of that heart attack will be all those non-numismatic mistakes you made along the way.  If your hobby causes you stress rather than fun, it is not much of a hobby.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2016, 02:16:03 pm »
I had an epiphany about three years ago, when I sold, commercially, a Republican sextans with a clear L.Pl.H mintmark but otherwise totally flat, for £8, to some stranger who probably considered he was paying a reasonable price given the condition of the coin. So far as I know today that coin remains the third known example. I resolved since, when facing a comparable situation, to either make sure that such a coin sold for a real price that respected its rarity, or make sure the coin went to a collector personally known to me and who would continue to curate it for "£8" or thereabouts, perhaps as part of a larger purchase. What I've asked when transferring such important slugs is that the transferee does the same - when he no longer wants it, either to sell for real money, or make sure a new curator is found who will give such a worn rarity the cabinet position it deserves. Of course just keeping these rare slugs is also possible, but as my main collection is by now pretty much done I rather feared if I didn't take care of the rare slugs they'd end up with their identity lost in a penny jar or in a bag of LRBs. This feels somehow comparable to Doug's story of the worn rarity he found difficult to sell for $20. Maybe it's an age old story shared by academic collectors of everything from flints to fossils to broken fragments of rare china.

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 08:43:51 pm »
I can only speak to this subject as a recent (decade or so) initiate to Ancient coins, those Fine rare coins are fun to find, especially when you post them here and are told you have found a true rarity. I found a very rare Clodius Albinus As with a bad flan crack, but I do believe Curtis Clay was excited to see the coin, and I have since submitted the coin to Wildwinds, and it is the only one of that specific type listed. I have only seen one other on the many pages I have surfed, Mr. Clay stated the only exact match he knew of had sold in an auction from the 1920's. As you can probably tell even years later this find excites me, I will not be selling the coin, and I have zero clue what it is "worth" and I don't care. The thrill for me is numismatic immortality. Do start today though, Ancient Roman and Greek coins seem to be steadily increasing in price, even "commons" and "Fine" coins, IMHO. Happy collecting! - Ryan C.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2016, 06:28:44 pm »
I had an epiphany about three years ago, when I sold, commercially, a Republican sextans with a clear L.Pl.H mintmark but otherwise totally flat, for £8, to some stranger who probably considered he was paying a reasonable price given the condition of the coin. So far as I know today that coin remains the third known example. I resolved since, when facing a comparable situation, to either make sure that such a coin sold for a real price that respected its rarity, or make sure the coin went to a collector personally known to me and who would continue to curate it for "£8" or thereabouts, perhaps as part of a larger purchase. What I've asked when transferring such important slugs is that the transferee does the same - when he no longer wants it, either to sell for real money, or make sure a new curator is found who will give such a worn rarity the cabinet position it deserves. Of course just keeping these rare slugs is also possible, but as my main collection is by now pretty much done I rather feared if I didn't take care of the rare slugs they'd end up with their identity lost in a penny jar or in a bag of LRBs. This feels somehow comparable to Doug's story of the worn rarity he found difficult to sell for $20. Maybe it's an age old story shared by academic collectors of everything from flints to fossils to broken fragments of rare china.

Hi Andrew,

I'm pleased to say that I bought that LPLH sextans back in late 2011 - http://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/41015.php

Hopefully, I'm giving it a good home - it's actually upstairs, I just looked at it - my most expensive coins are in a vault, £22.50 treasures (hefty mark-up!) are closer to hand :)

ATB,
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2016, 02:27:47 pm »
Welcome to the wonderful hobby, moneta.  I was fortunate enough to get into ancients during the period of depressed prices.  I would agree with Doug Smith - most of my favorite coins are in Fine.  There aren't any snobs here, that I know of, but who cares what the snobs think?  A genuine rare coin in Fine is just as historic as its XF counterpart.  One can always add the XF later.   With any hobby, what makes you happy is the most important.  I wouldn't recommend buying ancients solely for the investment.

Most of my collecting budget goes into the radio show hobby, which has a lot of parallels with ancients.  It's a cottage industry, and generally cheaper than other facets of record collecting.  Generally speaking, one can buy an actual original for less than it cost to record in the 1930s.

What I would most concerned about are the various unprecedented MOUs - written by the Clem Kediddlehoppers (with apologies to Clem, who was much more intelligent and well-intentioned) and Effie Klinks of the State Department, who understand nothing about the hobby, and who could care less.  Fortunately, people seem to be giving them the respect they deserve - none, and openly flaunting them. 

As long as you stick with respected dealers like Forum, you should be fine per fakes, etc.  This hobby is suited for any budget - you can still find $5 bargains, or find an Olybrius for hundreds of thousands (still cheaper than some American coin), and you'll find generally nice, helpful people from many nations.  And think of the vast material to choose from - you can specialize in any one of hundreds of really interesting periods.

I wouldn't categorize this as the Golden Age of collecting, although it is in terms of being able to easily locate virtually whatever you want, but prices are generally pretty reasonable and one can still find bargains.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 07:23:15 am »
"Recently" is subjective. Is recent last year or a decade ago? Asking price for coins doesn't change rapidly. We are talking about long term trends and someone metioned that we would have to wait 10 to 15 years before we might be able to evaluate the market of today - retroperspectively so.

In the few years that I have collected there have been no sudden changes.

Edit: If there is a sudden crisis like the financial crisis a few years ago, of course there will be people trying to liqudate their collection, but that's a given.

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2016, 03:20:44 am »
I had an epiphany about three years ago, when I sold, commercially, a Republican sextans with a clear L.Pl.H mintmark but otherwise totally flat, for £8, to some stranger who probably considered he was paying a reasonable price given the condition of the coin. So far as I know today that coin remains the third known example. I resolved since, when facing a comparable situation, to either make sure that such a coin sold for a real price that respected its rarity, or make sure the coin went to a collector personally known to me and who would continue to curate it for "£8" or thereabouts, perhaps as part of a larger purchase. What I've asked when transferring such important slugs is that the transferee does the same - when he no longer wants it, either to sell for real money, or make sure a new curator is found who will give such a worn rarity the cabinet position it deserves. Of course just keeping these rare slugs is also possible, but as my main collection is by now pretty much done I rather feared if I didn't take care of the rare slugs they'd end up with their identity lost in a penny jar or in a bag of LRBs. This feels somehow comparable to Doug's story of the worn rarity he found difficult to sell for $20. Maybe it's an age old story shared by academic collectors of everything from flints to fossils to broken fragments of rare china.

Hi Andrew,

I'm pleased to say that I bought that LPLH sextans back in late 2011 - http://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/41015.php

Hopefully, I'm giving it a good home - it's actually upstairs, I just looked at it - my most expensive coins are in a vault, £22.50 treasures (hefty mark-up!) are closer to hand :)

ATB,
Aidan.

Excellent! 
I'm sure Andrew is quite happy to know that coin is treasured and safe.
I'm just starting my Ancient journey and I'm amazed at the wealth of knowledge and camaraderie here on this Forvm
This is going to be fun!

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2016, 04:42:07 am »
I had an epiphany about three years ago, when I sold, commercially, a Republican sextans with a clear L.Pl.H mintmark but otherwise totally flat, for £8, to some stranger who probably considered he was paying a reasonable price given the condition of the coin. So far as I know today that coin remains the third known example. I resolved since, when facing a comparable situation, to either make sure that such a coin sold for a real price that respected its rarity, or make sure the coin went to a collector personally known to me and who would continue to curate it for "£8" or thereabouts, perhaps as part of a larger purchase. What I've asked when transferring such important slugs is that the transferee does the same - when he no longer wants it, either to sell for real money, or make sure a new curator is found who will give such a worn rarity the cabinet position it deserves. Of course just keeping these rare slugs is also possible, but as my main collection is by now pretty much done I rather feared if I didn't take care of the rare slugs they'd end up with their identity lost in a penny jar or in a bag of LRBs. This feels somehow comparable to Doug's story of the worn rarity he found difficult to sell for $20. Maybe it's an age old story shared by academic collectors of everything from flints to fossils to broken fragments of rare china.

Hi Andrew,

I'm pleased to say that I bought that LPLH sextans back in late 2011 - http://www.tantaluscoins.com/coins/41015.php

Hopefully, I'm giving it a good home - it's actually upstairs, I just looked at it - my most expensive coins are in a vault, £22.50 treasures (hefty mark-up!) are closer to hand :)

ATB,
Aidan.

Excellent! 
I'm sure Andrew is quite happy to know that coin is treasured and safe.
I'm just starting my Ancient journey and I'm amazed at the wealth of knowledge and camaraderie here on this Forvm
This is going to be fun!

Dan

Well that is good news Aidan, and I can probably dig out where I bought it from. I feel sure that it'll photograph much better if you give it another chance.

I included Dan's reply also as it's great to see a first post on Forum so enthusiastic and with so much promise of good things to come.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2016, 03:15:51 pm »

Well that is good news Aidan, and I can probably dig out where I bought it from. I feel sure that it'll photograph much better if you give it another chance.

I included Dan's reply also as it's great to see a first post on Forum so enthusiastic and with so much promise of good things to come.

Hi Andrew,

Great if you find any provenance info.

My photography has been a bit hit-or-miss - it's better than it appears in that photo', for sure.

Welcome, Dan - this is only my fifth post here in almost eight years, but agreed about the knowledge and camaraderie here and
I've been lucky enough to meet some of the people from here and mailing lists in person too.

ATB,
Aidan.

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Re: Good time for a newbie to get into the hobby?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2016, 10:00:04 pm »
I included Dan's reply also as it's great to see a first post on Forum so enthusiastic and with so much promise of good things to come.

Thanks, Andrew.  It seems it is a good time for a new guy to get involved in the AC hobby!

I'm figuring out how to get my "Member's Gallery" set up and I'll use that as a tool for organizing my acquisitions as they come along.

So much to learning to look forward to...

 

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