Norman Sicily follaro or crusader ???

[Vladislav D]

 No luck on Identification Help board https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=103771.msg638001#msg638001 . Posted on lamoneta , was suggested that this is crusader . But I still belive that this is the Norman  Sicily follaro . But, unfortunately, I do not have any book about it .
The king  seated on throne
Latin cross ,  floral ornaments at lower left and right .    or     in upper left quarter .
20-21 mm
2.4 g
Regards ,
Vlad .

[sviridov]

Hi Vlad,

Strange coin. look a bit like a hybrid of S1855 and s1880 (annonymous byzantine follis), to me

Yours Svir

[Meepzorp]

Hi Vlad,

I received your PM.

First, your reverse photo is upside-down. it needs to be rotated 180 degrees.

I have Varesi's Sicily volume. I looked at every coin in it. I found only one coin that even remotely resembles your coin. It is not an exact match, but it somewhat resembles your coin.

Here is the information in Varesi:

Ruggero II (Duca normanno; 1105-1154)
emissioni del 1141-1154
Messina mint
Follaro - Cu
Obverse: POGEPIA NAS (Rogerius Rex), Il Re seduto in trono
Reverse: Croce patente; nei quarti IC XC NI KA
weight range: 1.35 - 1.62g
references: Varesi (MIR) 27, Sp. 77 (1/2 Follaro)

According to Varesi, it is a common coin.

Meepzorp

[Vladislav D]

Hi Meepzorp ,
Thank very much for your time and help .
As you suggest , I flip the reverse photo and I think that the original picture was correct . I still see the cross with floral ornaments in lower fields .

I have Varesi's Sicily volume. I looked at every coin in it. I found only one coin that even remotely resembles your coin. It is not an exact match, but it somewhat resembles your coin.

My post on Italian forum Lamoneta also don't give any results and I began to think that it may be "unpublished crusader or byzantine" . Though, the seller very often have  a medieval coins from Italy  for sale .
Best Regards ,
Vlad .

[Vasiliy O]

Hi Vlad,

Chances are, you're right.
I have a catalog of the coins of Norman Sicily.
G. BERTELLI NEZI Tarì Follari ed altre monete dei Normanni in Sicilia 1072 -1194
Such a coins as you have, there is not present. But there are some similar types follaro. With a picture of the seated figure of Jesus, as well as Roger. #20-21
This may be one of the types follaro. Undescribed.

Regards , Vasiliy