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« Reply #1025 on: November 20, 2018, 10:27:33 am »

I don’t think it is an animal below Acheloios.  Just a damaged die or mistruck specimen, IMO.  When I saw the original it looked like a baby calf, but on closer inspection of the photo I realized it wasn’t.
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« Reply #1026 on: November 20, 2018, 12:51:44 pm »

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your opinion.

Looking at my enlarged photo (compared to the dealer's photo), I see what you mean. I think you are right. It does look something like a die break. The "animal's" legs are actually the MFB's legs. I will have to write up new tags and edit my website entry.

It is still an interesting coin though.

What do you (or anyone else) think the obverse symbol is? Is it a club? Is it a thunderbolt? Is it just globs of metal on the circular border? Is it something else?

How do I attribute it?

Looking through your MSP reference book, I noticed some Cales coins that have a club on the obverse. For a moment, when I was examining the coin in hand and tilting it at different light reflection angles, it almost looked as if I could see "...NO" as the last 2 letters of the obverse legend. The entire obverse legend is very faint, almost non-existent. Could it be a Cales coin?

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« Reply #1027 on: November 21, 2018, 02:29:25 am »

Hi Nick,

Regarding my Campania coin with the die break on the reverse, I looked at your MSP reference book again. I've narrowed it down to 3 candidates:

MSP I, 162 (Cales, club)
MSP I, 419 (Suessa Aurunca, thunderbolt)
MSP I, 420 (Suessa Aurunca, thunderbolt)

When I looked at my coin in hand, the obverse symbol looked more like a club. But after studying my enlarged photos, I am thinking that it looks more like a thunderbolt. I am leaning more towards that now. This implies Suessa Aurunca.

There is more evidence to support that tentative attribution.

First, the obverse legend (ethnic) is very faint, if it exists at all. When I look at the coin in hand and tilt it at different light reflection angles, sometimes I think I see SVESANO. I don't know if my eyes (or mind) are playing tricks on me, but it does sort of look like that. Again, it is extremely faint. Maybe I am trying to make something out of nothing? Maybe not?

Second, if it is Cales, the reverse style of my coin (particularly the bull and his head) does not look like the reverse die in your MSP reference book (#162). The reverse style of my coin (particularly the bull and his head) more closely matches the reverse die of #420 in your MSP reference book (Suessa Aurunca). The illustration for #419 is a drawing, not a photo, so I can't compare dies.

What do you think?

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« Reply #1028 on: November 21, 2018, 09:47:08 am »

Definitely Suessa.  The bolt looks clear to me.  Whether or not there is an N below Acheloios is impossible to say from here, but perhaps a die break near the N caused what we see.  Rare in either case!
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« Reply #1029 on: November 21, 2018, 11:31:55 am »

Hi folks,

Today, I added 2 coins to this website page:

Medieval Italy, Colonial Genoese, Caffa (second and third coins):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/mi_gencol_pt01a.htm

These are new arrivals. I received them within the past 6-12 months.

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« Reply #1030 on: November 21, 2018, 11:48:59 am »

Hi Nick,

Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

I can't believe all of the coins I've purchased in the past 6-12 months that turned out to be Suessa Aurunca coins because they were mis-attributed by the dealer. This happened multiple times. I think I've more than doubled the number of coins in my 2 Suessa Aurunca pages (which used to be only one page until 7-10 days ago). After I move this coin from my Neapolis pages, I may have more coins in my Suessa Aurunca pages that were mis-attributed by the dealer than coins that were attributed correctly. Smiley

I figured that it is a rare coin based on your MSP reference book. There are only 2 examples illustrated, and one of them is a drawing. I inferred from that information the fact that it must be a rare coin.

I assume that the correct reference is:

MSP (Molinari) I, 419-420

I can't pinpoint it any further (to either 419 or 420) because I can't tell for certain whether or not there is an obverse legend.

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« Reply #1031 on: November 21, 2018, 04:13:32 pm »

I would omit “Molinari” from the reference, since MSP means Molinari Sisci Potamikon, and it was certainly not a solo adventure.

Most dealers just put Neapolis on Campanian types unless the inscription is very clear (and even then sometimes they don’t).  I’ll also see Gela, even though they issued no true man-faced bull bronze series.
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« Reply #1032 on: November 22, 2018, 01:49:33 am »

I would omit “Molinari” from the reference, since MSP means Molinari Sisci Potamikon, and it was certainly not a solo adventure.

Hi Nick,

I know that. And people who are into MFB coins know that. But most ancient coin collectors probably don't know that, especially if they are not Forum members. If I wasn't a Forum member, I probably wouldn't know what "MSP" means. And I am into Campania/MFB coins.

That is just you being humble.

Your reference book covers an extremely limited sub-area of ancient coins. It is sort of obscure. It's not like it's RIC, RPC, or a Sear reference book.

I do the same thing for my MIR references for my Medieval Italy coins. I write them as "MIR (Varesi)".

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« Reply #1033 on: November 22, 2018, 03:57:53 am »

Hi folks,

I just corrected the error in my Campania coin with the die break on the reverse.

I removed it from this page:

Greek Italy, Campania, Neapolis, Bronze, Part 3:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_camp_neap_ae03.htm

I added it to this page:

Greek Italy, Campania, Suessa Aurunca, Part 1 (fourth coin):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_camp_susar_pt01.htm

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« Reply #1034 on: November 22, 2018, 09:37:58 am »

Hi folks,

Today, I added one coin to each of my following website pages:

Roman Imperial, Augustus, Silver, Part 9 (fifth coin):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/ri_aug_ar_pt09.htm

Greek Italy, Lucania, Herakleia (first coin):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_luc_herk.htm

These are new arrivals. I received them within the past 6-12 months.

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« Reply #1035 on: November 23, 2018, 10:20:04 am »

Hi folks,

Today, I added one coin to this website page:

Greek Italy, Bruttium, Vibo Valentia (last coin):

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_brut_skyl_vibo.htm

This is a new arrival. I received it within the past 6-12 months.

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« Reply #1036 on: November 23, 2018, 10:32:21 am »

Hi folks,

I finally finished posting my new arrivals. Of course, in this case, a "new arrival" is any coin I received within the past 6-12 months.

I have some things to take care of around the house. This should take me 2-3 days.

At that time, I will finally be able to get back to working on my website again. Up until October of last year, I was swapping out my sub-par (blurry, etc.) photos. I was replacing them with better quality photos. If I remember correctly, I left off with my Greek Sicily, Panormus pages. I assume that I will resume there.

Because of all the negative things I had going on in my life during the past year, I stopped working on my website (swapping out my blurry photos, etc.) in October 2017. This "storm" in my life set me back 13 months. I am only now getting back to the point I was at in October 2017. It took me all this time just to get back to that point. This was a 13 month long setback in my life.

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« Reply #1037 on: November 24, 2018, 10:23:29 am »

Hi folks,

Today, I re-organized my 2 Greek Italy, Campania, Suessa Aurunca pages. They were a mess because I added so many coins to them in the past 10 days or so. My photo numbers were all out of sequence.

I moved one coin (the last one) from the bottom of my Part 1 page to the top of my Part 2 page because it belonged there. It had much in common with the second coin in my Part 2 page.

I re-numbered all of my Suessa Aurunca photos (all 54 of them) and re-uploaded them to Joe's server.

I guess that I will resume swapping out my blurry photos in 1-2 days.

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« Reply #1038 on: November 25, 2018, 04:52:06 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 4 sub-par Greek Sicily, Panormus photos.

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« Reply #1039 on: November 26, 2018, 08:11:03 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 12 sub-par Greek Sicily photos (Panormus - Syracuse).

I also edited my index page (home page).

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« Reply #1040 on: November 27, 2018, 08:18:17 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 6 sub-par Greek Sicily photos (Segesta - Syracuse).

I also edited the text in my Greek Sicily, Panormus, Part 4 page.

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« Reply #1041 on: November 28, 2018, 06:06:02 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 11 sub-par Greek Sicily, Syracuse photos.

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« Reply #1042 on: November 29, 2018, 09:14:39 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 8 sub-par Greek Sicily, Syracuse photos.

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« Reply #1043 on: November 30, 2018, 09:13:56 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 7 sub-par Greek Sicily, Syracuse photos.

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« Reply #1044 on: December 01, 2018, 08:13:33 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 8 sub-par Greek Sicily, Syracuse photos.

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« Reply #1045 on: December 01, 2018, 11:14:11 pm »

Hi folks,

I just swapped out 8 more sub-par Greek Sicily, Syracuse photos.

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« Reply #1046 on: December 03, 2018, 01:19:05 am »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 4 sub-par Greek Sicily photos (Syracuse - Tauromenium).

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« Reply #1047 on: December 04, 2018, 11:49:20 pm »

Hi folks,

Today, I swapped out 11 sub-par Greek Sicily photos (Tauromenium - Punic).

I think I am finished swapping out my blurry Greek Italy and Greek Sicily photos. I know that some photos may need to be re-cropped at some point in the future.

Next, I will continue to swap out my blurry photos. I may do Greek next.

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« Reply #1048 on: December 05, 2018, 09:43:52 am »

Hi folks,

I thought I was done swapping out my Greek Sicily photos, but that thinking was premature.

Upon examining my last few Greek Sicily pages, I noticed 2 problems.

First, regarding my Thermai coin, the Hera side is incused (concave), and the Herakles side is convex. But the dealer described the Hera side as the obverse and the Herakles side as the reverse. That fact was bothering me. So, I looked in a few reference books. It appears that the dealer must have mixed up the obverse and reverse. And that error propagated down to my tags and photos. I had to correct that error. I wrote up new tags and edited the text in my website. It took me over 2 hours.

Second, a few of the photos in my last few Greek Sicily website pages are still blurry. So, it appears that I need to swap out some photos in that section. I guess that I am not quite done with that section yet.

By the way, as always, if anyone notices any errors in any section of my website, please let me be aware of it so that I can correct it.

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« Reply #1049 on: December 08, 2018, 03:54:14 pm »

Hi folks,

Something came up, and I probably won't be able to work on my website for about 10-14 days or so.

In about 2 weeks, I should be able to resume swapping out my blurry photos.

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