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Offline Edward D

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2020, 01:41:57 pm »
1.  Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 118,Rethy I-131,CAC Vol. II/19.8.1.1/a2.8/17. It has a sigla of 2 small points inside the N in the upper right quadrant.

2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 124,Unger 71,Rethy I-133,CAC Vol. II/19.10.1.1/a1.21/22. It has a sigla of one small point beside a larger point at 3:30.

3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 148,Unger 69,Rethy I-126,CAC Vol. II/20.6.1.1/b1.5/37. It has a sigla of one small wedge under cross at about 2:00.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2020, 01:56:58 pm »
All of these are Anonymous Hungarian Denars (1131-41,King Bela II?).

4. Huszar 82,Unger 51,Rethy I-69,CAC Vol. II/18.3.1.1/a1.13/14. It has a sigla of one point on line inside crescent at 3:00.

5. Huszar 89,Unger 48,Rethy I-74,CAC Vol. II/18.5.1.1/c2.6/54. It has a sigla of 2 perpendicular lines with a space between them at 2:00.

6.Variation of Huszar 96,Unger 46,Rethy I-81,CAC Vol. II/18.10.1.2/c4.2/3. It has a sigla of small horizontal lines at 12:00,3:00,6:00 and 9:00.

7. Variation of Huszar 97,Unger 49,Rethy I-83,CAC Vol. II/18.11.1.1/a2.4/9. It has a sigla of one point above and below left arm of horizontal cross bar at 12:00.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2020, 05:25:49 pm »
Wow, all great examples... +++

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2020, 07:42:06 pm »
Thank you,Quadrans. :)

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #229 on: March 26, 2020, 09:05:17 pm »
Nice additions. Stkp

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #230 on: March 26, 2020, 09:16:20 pm »
Thank you,Stkp. :)

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #231 on: April 04, 2020, 01:20:47 pm »
These are the last ones I received before the stay at home started. This will be it until the Covid-19 is over.

1. 1603 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Rudolph II;Huszar 1060,Unger 812,KM-16. It is very double struck making the date look like 603.

2. 1602 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Rudolph II;Huszar 1059,Unger 811a.

3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 161,Unger 80,Rethy I-151,CAC Vol. II/20.15.1.1/g1.4/49. It has a sigla of one star on horizontal cross bar at 2:00.

4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 164,Unger 86,Rethy I-153,CAC Vol. II/20.16.1.1/a1.25/26. It has a sigla of one small point in lower right quadrant of center cross.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #232 on: April 04, 2020, 01:40:04 pm »
5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 124,Unger 71,Rethy I-133,CAC Vol. II/19.10.1.1/b1.1/54. It has a sigla of one small wedge to the right of the horizontal bar at 3:00.

6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Variation of Husxar 97,Unger 49,Rethy I-84,CAC Vol. II/18.11.1.1/a4.3/29. It has a sigla of one point above and below the horizotal bar on each end at 3:00 and 9:00.

7. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 139,Unger 65,Rethy I-118,CAC Vol. II/20.2.1.1/0.1/1. It has no sigla.

8. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/a1.11/12. It has a sigla of one small point touching a small wedge at about 2:00.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #233 on: April 08, 2020, 11:26:45 am »
Great coins, Edward  +++ ;)

 Joe/Q.

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Sorry the late replay, but I1m very busy now, because of my Job, this serious situation... :(

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #234 on: April 08, 2020, 12:34:28 pm »
Thank you,Quadrans:)

These were the last ones I received before the stay at home started and will be it until this coronavirus emergency is over.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #235 on: April 08, 2020, 12:38:38 pm »
It's OK, Stay Home, in the safety and healthy circumstances... +++

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #236 on: April 08, 2020, 10:25:29 pm »
Nice coins, Edward. Be well! Stkp

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #237 on: April 09, 2020, 10:25:09 am »
Thank you,Stkp. :)

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #238 on: May 02, 2020, 03:53:24 pm »
Hi friends, I'm new to the forum.
I bought this unknown coin that came from Eastern countries (former Yugoslavia).

From a search in your forum I saw that it could resemble the Hungarian saracen head coin minted during the reign of Louis I of Anjou. On one side of the coin there is a patriarchal cross with random dots. On the other side of the coin there appears to be a saracen head.

The inscriptions on the coin do not appear to be those of Huszár 547 or a Huszár 550.
Already the Angevin king Charles I (1308-1342), father of Luigi instituted a series of mint for the collection of the lucrum camerae tax (delivery of old money to replace it with new production money with the application of a commission for the benefit of the royal coffers) throughout the country: in addition to Buda, Esztergom, Szerém, Csanád and Slavonia also in Körmöcbánya, Szomolnok, Szatmár, Várad, Transylvania and Pécs.
Is it possible that the coin was issued with the consent of King Louis I from one of the vassal states of the Kingdom of Hungary: Wallachia, Banat of Severin, Moldova, Bosnia, Serbia ????????
In the inscriptions we find the following possible letters:
(Cross) ?A????ADVWO(or G or E)AIVO
(Saracen Head) ?HOMHTO????

In some contemporary coins of Wallachia


we find similar inscriptions such as:
………AI WODI…………..
………..WOIDEI………….
……….WAIWOD………..
To indicate a woiwode (voevoda, voivod, vojvoda, voevod, vaivode, wojewoda, voyvoda, voyevoda, woywode, vojvode) a vassal of the king of hungary.

is there any source to consult?

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #239 on: May 02, 2020, 04:42:32 pm »
Welcome to the forum, Marco.

It is an interesting coin. Perhaps it is a contemporary counterfeit of a Saracen head denar with a blundered inscription? This might be the case as the metal content appears to be all bronze without even a hint of silver. Of course, hazarding metal content based on a photo is unreliable.

By the way, you would have been best off creating a new topic for the coin rather than tacking it onto Edward's thread.

I am sure that I don't speak only for myself when I say that I hope to see more coins and posts from you.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #240 on: July 04, 2020, 12:37:18 pm »
1. 1116-31 Hungarian Denar under King Stephen II;variation of Huszar 47,Unger 37,Rethy I-53,CAC Vol. I/12.6.2/b2d2.1/9. It has a sigla of crescents on both sides of center cross near 12:00 and wedges on both sides of center cross near 6:00.

2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 91,Unger 40,Rethy I-75,CAC Vol. II/18.6.1.1/h2.1/62. It has a sigla of a cross on both sides of larger cross between 1:00 and 3:00.

3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 150,Unger 74,Rethy I-144,CAC Vol. II/20.8.1.1/b1.5/46.. It has a sigla of a small wedge on the right side of small horizontal cross bar near 12:00.

4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/b1.27/64. It has a sigla of a small wedge pointing down in upper right quadrant near intersection of cross bars.

5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 180,Unger 67,Rethy I-160,CAC Vol. II/20.20.1.1/b1.6/33. It has a sigla of a small wedge below and to the right of small cross near 3:00.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #241 on: July 04, 2020, 12:45:04 pm »
6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 118, Rethy I-131,CAC Vol. II/19.8.1.1/a2.4/13. It has a sigla of one point in upper right and lower left quadrants near intersection of cross bars.

7. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 113,Unger 83,Rethy I-123,CAC Vol. II/19.5.1.1/a1.33/34. It has a sigla of one point on bottom of vertical cross bar near 6:00.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #242 on: July 04, 2020, 01:50:34 pm »
Nice additions, Edward. Stkp

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #243 on: July 04, 2020, 03:15:03 pm »
Great coins and great variations 😀👍😉

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #244 on: July 04, 2020, 03:30:34 pm »
Thank you,Stkp and Quadrans. :)

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #245 on: July 23, 2020, 01:41:30 pm »
1.  1095-1116 Hungarian Denar under King Coloman;  huszar 40,Unger 31,Rethy I-48,CAC Vol. I/11.10/a1c1.2/69. It Has a sigla of one small point above a small line in upper right quadrant near intersection of cross bars.

2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 84,Unger 39,Rethy I-71,CAC Vol. II/18.4.1.1/a3.7/22. It has a sigla of a small point between small cross and larger central points at 1:00,4:00,and 7:00.

3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/a1.3/4. It has a sigla of one small point to the right of the vertical cross bar near 12:00.

4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 124,Unger 71,Rethy I-133,CAC Vol. II/19.10.1.1/a2.16/53. It has a sigla of a small point in upper left and lower right quadrants between larger central points and intersection of cross bars.

5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 139,Unger 65,Rethy I-118,CAC Vol. II/20.2.1.1/b1.3/22. It has a sigla of one small wedge in upper left quadrant between small and large horizontal cross bars.

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« Reply #246 on: July 25, 2020, 02:06:35 pm »
6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 171,Unger 85,Rethy I-157,CAC Vol. II/20.18.1.1/b1.1/33. It has a sigla of one small wedge at 12:00.

7. 1526 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Louis II with VNGAR/VNGARIE legend variation;Huszar 841,Unger 673o,Pohl 255-19.

8. 1627 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II;Huszar 1204,Unger 917a.

9. 1637 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II;Huszar 1205,Unger 916c.

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #247 on: July 25, 2020, 06:08:30 pm »
It is OK, Edward, 👍

Great group, so many nice variation...😲😉

Congratulation 👍

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2020, 08:08:25 am »
Thank you Quadrans, :)

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Re: Hungarian Denars that seem to be scarce
« Reply #249 on: July 31, 2020, 09:58:24 pm »
Quite a few very nice coins, Edward. Stkp

 

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