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« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2017, 08:35:10 am »

The first is a 1444 G-W with legend variations. On the obverse mOnETA WLADISLA E instead of mOnETE WLADISLAI DEI and on the reverse UGARIE (missing N);Huszar 609,Unger 475v,Pohl 147-6..

Edward, it is great that you have access to Pohl, which is not an easy book to obtain. The coin was minted in Cuvin, now Kovin in the province of Vojvodina in Serbia.

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« Reply #101 on: December 21, 2017, 08:27:10 am »

The first is a 1524 Lily-Lily?L-C Hungarian Denar under King Louis II. This one has a normal 2 in the date;the other one previously posted has a reverse 2. Huszar 846,Unger 675c,Pohl 258-3.

The second is a 1479-90 (1482-90 Unger and 1479-85 Pohl) with an n-C mint mark under Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 720,Unger 566g,Pohl 222-6.
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« Reply #102 on: December 21, 2017, 08:38:20 am »

The first is a 1445/46 B-star/n Hungarian Denar,Interregnum II variant with the reverse legend on both sides;Huszar 613 var.,Unger 480c var.,Pohl 173-3 var.

The second is a 1358-71 with a saracen head mint mark under King Louis I. It is a variant with 2 points between his legs;Huszar 542 var.,Unger 429x Var.,Pohl 79-9d var.
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« Reply #103 on: December 21, 2017, 08:41:39 am »

Nice examples.. Wink Thumbs Up

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« Reply #104 on: December 21, 2017, 09:50:23 am »

Very nice coins, Edward.
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« Reply #105 on: December 21, 2017, 06:04:03 pm »

Thank you,Quadrans and Stkp. Thumbs Up
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« Reply #106 on: December 22, 2017, 02:46:04 pm »

Interesting coins Edward,

Thank you for sharing,

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« Reply #107 on: January 02, 2018, 08:11:06 am »

The first one is slightly past what is cosidered medieval,but it is a 1614 N-B Hungarian Denar under King Matthias II;Huszar 1142,Unger 871. Some of the copper leeched on to the surface but gives it a nice color.

The second is a 1526 C-Lily with a Gothic C in the mint mark under King Louis II;Huszar 841,Unger 673i,Pohl 255-24.
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« Reply #108 on: January 02, 2018, 08:20:04 am »

The first is a 1500-05 n/A (1500-02 Huszar,1505 Pohl) Hungarian Denar under King Wladislaus II;Huszar 807,Unger 641c,Pohl 242-3. The Madonna side is double struck.

The second is a 1489 K-P/Rosette variant without glory under Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 722var,Unger 567var,Pohl 223var. The lines on Madonna's face and neck are from the Arpadian stripes in the shield from the other side.
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« Reply #109 on: January 02, 2018, 05:28:36 pm »

Hi Edward,

Happy New Year... Smiley

Nice coin all,
My favourit the first two:
Mathias II. N-B, Nice Madonna.... Smiley
and  C-Lily Lodovicus II. are also great... Thumbs Up

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« Reply #110 on: January 02, 2018, 08:01:09 pm »

The second is a 1489 K-P/Rosette variant without glory under Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 722var,Unger 567var,Pohl 223var. The lines on Madonna's face and neck are from the Arpadian stripes in the shield from the other side.

They are both nice additions, Edward, although I find the Huszar 722 var. to be especially interesting. I have one bearing that mintmark in which the Madonna is not nimbate but the infant Jesus is nimbate.   http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-46180. Your coin is another variety which, as far as I know, is not recorded. It seems that only those with this mintmark omit this feature.

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« Reply #111 on: January 03, 2018, 09:45:34 am »

Thank you,Quadrans and Stkp. Thumbs Up

@ Stkp,I saw the one you are talking about in your gallery and I wasn't able to find the variation  I have published. That's why I had to broad brush the attribution with a note of variation.
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« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2018, 03:45:49 pm »

The first is a 1624 P-P Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II;Huszar 1207,Unger 918b.

The second is a 1554 N-C under King Ferdinand I;Huszar 953 var.,Unger 745l var. It is a variant with 3 rosettes under the Madonna.

The third is an unpublished variant of a 1530 A-B under King John Zapolya with a curved crest;Huszar 881 var.,Unger 699z var.,Pohl 265-2 var.
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« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2018, 03:56:00 pm »

Great examples, Edward, congratulations


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« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2018, 03:57:48 pm »

The first is a 1490 K-Q (Cl) Hungarian Denar under Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 722,Unger 567d,Pohl 223-4. It isn't that scarce,but I had room for it.

The second is a contemporary counterfeit Hungarian Denar from the time of Queen Maria (1382-95);Huszar 569,Unger 443 type,Pohl 114. The legend is totally unmeaning.

The third is a 1373-82 with a Lily-S mint mark under King Louis I;Huszar 547,Unger 432d,Pohl 89-9.
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« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2018, 03:59:39 pm »

Hoops , another three nice specimen  Thumbs Up Smiley Wink

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« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2018, 04:02:20 pm »

Thank you, QuadransThumbs Up  I posted the second group after you replied.
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« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2018, 06:59:45 am »

All are very nice. Stkp
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« Reply #118 on: April 02, 2018, 05:26:06 pm »

Thank you,Stkp. Thumbs Up
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« Reply #119 on: April 10, 2018, 04:21:30 pm »

The first one isn't medieval,but the lowest mintage of King Leopold's reign;a 1666 K-B Hungarian Denar,Huszar 1506 and Unger 1110.

The second is a 1470 n-hammer under Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 717,Unger 562m,Pohl 216-13. It is a variant with a circle in the legend instead of the point.

The third one is quite common,but I have room for it;a 1390-1427 Hungarian Denar under Sigismund of Luxebmburg;Huszar 576,Unger 449a,Pohl 117-1.
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« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2018, 04:34:26 pm »

These are variants of the Saracen head denars. They are all 1373-82 Hungarian Denars under King Louis I.

The first has a P_ (P with a stem to the right from the base). As far as I know,this one isn't recorded in the catalogues;Huszar 547var.,Unger 432c var.,Pohl 89-8 var.

The second and third are variations of the legend;I couldn't find either of these in the catalogues. They are both variants of Huszar 547,Unger 432a,Pohl 89-1. The second has the obverse legend on both sides and the third has the rverse legend on both sides.
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« Reply #121 on: April 11, 2018, 11:40:32 pm »

Hi, Edwards,

Nice coins Smiley,

About King Luis, the P mintmark look legate PL, Smiley
and the last two coins are interesting, but this type has several legends combination, which is not described the earlier catalogues.
Some same combination also exists the Maria coins too... Smiley Thumbs Up Wink

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« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2018, 05:27:59 am »

Thank you,QuadransThumbs Up   I also have a variation where the obverse and reverse legends are swapped.
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« Reply #123 on: April 13, 2018, 09:10:54 pm »

The second and third are variations of the legend;I couldn't find either of these in the catalogues. They are both variants of Huszar 547,Unger 432a,Pohl 89-1. The second has the obverse legend on both sides and the third has the rverse legend on both sides.

Nice coins. The one with the reverse on both sides is listed as Huszar 547a.
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« Reply #124 on: April 14, 2018, 01:26:17 pm »

Thank you.Stkp! Thumbs Up
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