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Potamikon ...THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2016, 01:00:01 pm »
Finally, they have arrived, and they look GREAT! Pictures below (ignore the bead-head).

Ordering info next post!!!


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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2016, 01:07:21 pm »
US Orders:

$100 (shipping included)/$104 if paying by Paypal

International Orders:

$150 (shipping included), Paypal only.  The shipping is an estimate, it won't go over that but might be a little less, depending on the final packaged weight, in which case I'll refund a portion.  It is usually around $65 but I sent a 2 lb, 6 oz package to Italy last week and it was only $35.  The USPS guy couldn't explain why.

If ordering from Italy or close by, contact siscinico[at]gmail.com

All others contact me at njmolinari[at]gmail.com

In email, please specify if you are paying by check or Paypal (paypal payments send to njmolinari[at]gmail.com), include address and whether or not you want it signed/any other special instructions.

Thanks for all the support everyone :)

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2016, 01:12:33 pm »
 +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++

CONGRATULATIONS !
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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2016, 01:41:22 pm »
Thanks, Sam!!!

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2016, 01:49:07 pm »
congrats. It is a good feeling holding the finished product. Books are a lot of work but worth it.

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2016, 03:08:28 pm »
Nick,

congratulations on finishing your catalogue! Could you provide a list of the essays that come with the catalogue?

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2016, 03:16:27 pm »
Thanks, Lars.  See the contents here (there's a typo in this version that was later corrected):

http://www.archaeopress.com/ArchaeopressShop/DMS/E0CF1B44E2A6446CB193E9DC77180434/Molinari%20-%20contents.pdf

The first seven chapter are the main essays (by the authors), but every mint is accompanied by commentary, too.  Plus, Curtis' translation and Lloyd's essay in the appendix.  Bibliography is about 40 pages plus index.  As soon as I have time, I'll do an annotated overview of the book and post it to this thread.

I'd be happy to send a preview of any section.

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2016, 03:20:45 pm »
In the meantime, here is the blurb from the back of the book, with translations:

Abstract:

Potamikon attempts to solve a question that has perplexed scholars for hundreds of years: Who exactly is the man-faced bull featured so often on Greek coinage?  It approaches this question by examining the origin of the iconography and traces its development throughout various Mediterranean cultures, finally arriving in Archaic and Classical Greece in the first millennium BC. Within the context of Greek coinage, the authors  review all the past arguments for the identity of the man-faced bull before incorporating the two leading theories (Local River Gods vs. Acheloios) into a new theory of local embodiments of Acheloios, thereby preserving the sanctity of the local rivers while recognizing Acheloios as the original god of all water.  The second part of the book exhibits many of these ‘Sinews of Acheloios’ as they appear throughout the Greek world on bronze coinage, in each case paying careful attention to the reasons a specific group adopted the iconography and shedding further light on the mythos of Acheloios.

Italian:

Potamikon tenta di dare risposte ad una domanda che per centinaia di anni ha assillato gli studiosi di Numismatica antica: chi è esattamente il toro androprosopo che compare così frequentemente sulla monetazione greca? Lo studio introduttivo pubblicato nel volume affronta tale questione esaminando l’origine preistorica dell’iconografia e tracciando il suo sviluppo nelle varie culture del Mediterraneo antico, per arrivare infine alla sua diffusione nel mondo greco arcaico e classico. Nell’ambito della monetazione greca gli autori passano in rassegna tutti gli argomenti passati riguardanti l’identità del toro androprosopo, prima di integrare le due teorie principali (divinità fluviali locali o Acheloios) in una nuova teoria, che propone di leggere tale figura come declinazione locale di Acheloios, inteso come il dio originario di tutte le acque da cui scaturisce la “deità” dei vari fiumi locali: i ‘tendini’ di Acheloios, così come furono descritti dalle fonti antiche. La seconda parte del libro presenta un repertorio dei ‘tendini di Acheloios’ che furono rappresentati come tori androprosopi nella monetazione in bronzo delle varie zecche greche, prestando attenzione caso per caso alle ragioni che spinsero le comunità emittenti ad adottare tale iconografia, possibilmente gettando ulteriore luce sul mito di Acheloios.

German:

Potamikon versucht, eine Frage zu lösen, die Wissenschaftler seit Hunderten von Jahren verwirrt hat: Wer genau ist dieser menschengesichtige Stier, der so oft auf griechischen Münzen dargestellt wird?Es nähert sich dieser Frage, indem es den Ursprung dieser Ikonographie untersucht und ihre Entwicklung innerhalb verschiedener Kulturen des Mittelmeerraumes nachverfolgt, um schließlich im Griechenland des ersten vorchristlichen Jahrtausends anzukommen. Im Rahmen der griechischen Münzprägung bewerten die Autoren alle bisher vorgebrachten Argumente für die Identität des menschengesichtigen Stiers um dann die zwei führenden Theorien (lokale Flussgötter oder Acheloios) in einer neuen Theorie von lokalen Verkörperungen von Acheloios zusammenzuführen, womit die Heiligkeit der lokalen Flüsse erhalten bleibt, währen trotzdem Acheloios als Gott aller Gewässer anerkannt wird. Der zweite Teil des Buches zeigt viele der “Sehnen von Acheloios”, wie sie in der gesamten griechischen Welt auf Bronzemünzen erscheinen, wobei jeweils großes Augenmerk auf die Frage gelegt wird, warum eine spezifische Gruppe sich dieser Ikonographie bediente und der Mythos von Acheloios näher beleuchtet. (Trans. Andreas Reich)

French:

Potamikon tente de répondre à la question qui embarrasse les chercheurs depuis de nombreuses années : Qui est le personnage figuré par un taureau androcéphale que l’on rencontre si souvent sur les monnaies grecques ? L’ouvrage aborde cette question par l’examen de l’origine iconographique puis de son développement au sein des différentes cultures méditerranéennes au premier millénaire avant notre ère jusqu’aux  époques archaïques et classiques en Grèce. Les auteurs passent en revue les différentes interprétations avancées par les numismates avant de fusionner les deux principales hypothèses (dieux fleuves locaux contre Acheloios) en une nouvelle hypothèse de personnifications locales d’Acheloios  préservant le caractère sacré des fleuves tout en reconnaissant Acheloios comme la divinité originelle de toutes les sources. Dans une deuxième partie, sont recensées les nombreuses représentations de ces “tendons d’Acheloios” que l’on rencontre sur le monnayage en bronze grec. L’examen approfondi des choix iconographiques adoptés apporte un éclairage supplémentaire sur le mythe d’Acheloios. (Trans. Bruno Lambert)

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2016, 01:27:52 pm »
Here's the overview:

An Overview of Potamikon: Sinews of Acheloios (Oxford: Archaeopress, 2016):

Philosophical Introduction: Why the Man-Faced Bull? (available now on Academia.edu)

Chapter 1: After a brief introduction to bull-man art in Paleolithic times, this chapter provides a thorough overview of the origin and development of man-faced bull iconography from Neolithic times up until the end of the Bronze Age.  He we present the bulk of the evidence for our theory of intercultural continuity of man-faced bull iconography from a single point of origin in Old Europe.

Chapter 2: This chapter discusses the role of Cyprus in the Bronze and Iron Age in relation to the transfusion of man-faced bull iconography and the oriental influx in general.  The chapter also provides an argument that Iron Age seer-healers and mercenaries were the leading exponents of man-faced bull iconography from East to West.  Anyone with a general interest in itinerant people of the Iron Age will really enjoy this chapter.

Chapter 3: This chapter provides evidence that the man-faced bull was not a “Greek” god adopted by Etruscan, Sicilian, and other Italic people, but instead emerged from long standing local traditions and very early (Bronze Age) direct influence from the Near East to those areas, which later flourished when combined with the Greek tradition.

Chapter 4: Chapter 4 provides a comprehensive overview of the man-faced bull in the Etruscan and Greek worlds and re-evaluates many important pieces based on the most recent archaeological research.  Not since Isler and Jannot (1970s-80s) has this topic been discussed to this extent, and lots of new evidence and debate has occurred since.

Chapter 5: Here we provide a comprehensive overview of the man-faced bull type on Greek coinage, covering all metals.  Important re-evaluations of dating are presented with extensive notes.

Chapter 6: This chapter presents all past arguments for the identity of the man-faced bull on Greek coinage.  The debate has been continuing since Goltzius, c. 1640!

Chapter 7: Our argument for the identity of the man-faced bull, which incorporates the two leading schools of thought on the subject (see blurb in last post).

Conclusions: The conclusion provides a general sketch of the origin and development of the man-faced bull in general, and why he is culturally significant, even today.

Plates: 138 illustrations, many of which were hand drawn (that’s when I knew I was obsessed)

Catalog:

Sicily: 19 issuing authorities, 63 coin varieties.  Includes map, enlargements, and extensive references.  Much of the information in this chapter has never appeared in English.  Includes a new dating scheme for Agyrion and a few other areas.

Italy: 15 issuing authorities,  392 coin varieties. Includes map, enlargements, and extensive references.  As with Sicily, much of the information in this chapter has never appeared in English.  New (and much-needed) dating scheme for Cales and Teanum Sidicinum. New analysis of Rome’s first coin, and its later cousin, both man-faced bull types.

Akarnania: 5 issuing authorities, 29 coin varieties. Includes map, enlargements, and extensive references.  The dating of these types has been extensively narrowed and/or revised from earlier works, and presents this enigmatic coinage in a refreshingly clear light.

Others: 7 issuing authorities, 19 varieties. Includes map, enlargements, and extensive references. Many interesting coin types falling outside of the usual zone of man-faced bull iconography.  Some new types discovered (though most I’ve presented on Forvm before).

Appendix 1: The only published translation of Eckhel’s “Concerning the Man-Faced Bull,” by our own Curtis Clay!

Appendix 2: Dr. Lloyd Taylor’s enlightening essay on the Indian humped man-faced bull, which sheds further light on why this type was adopted at Ai Khanoum.

Bibliography: 42 page international bibliography with something like 1,000 entries.  This is essential for any man-faced bull enthusiast and extremely valuable to students of the history and coinages of these areas as well.

Index, which includes numismatic devices to help researchers identify varieties quickly and efficiently.

Other General Comments:

All sections peer-reviewed by some of the world’s leading experts, including David MacDonald, Keith Rutter, Rabun Taylor, Alberto Campana, and Marina Taliercio-Mensitieri.

1,931 footnotes, giving you all the juicy little bits of man-faced bull lore available.

354 pages, hard cover, sewn binding- sold at cost for a limited time!

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2016, 01:52:11 pm »
Hi Nick,

Nice work,  congratulation... +++

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2016, 01:32:45 pm »
This one appeared on the market the day the books shipped from Oxford- it's a new and unpublished variety!  Not quite sure how to feel about that...

My first RBW coin, can't wait to receive it.

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2016, 04:48:54 pm »
Nice find :)  ;) +++ never late...

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2016, 04:53:08 pm »
This one appeared on the market the day the books shipped from Oxford- it's a new and unpublished variety!  Not quite sure how to feel about that...

That's always the way with any numismatic publication involving a catalogue of types/issues. Look on the bright side... something for the second edition. And more will surely follow!

Congratulations ... a great coin.
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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2016, 03:29:10 am »
That's always the way with any numismatic publication involving a catalogue of types/issues. Look on the bright side... something for the second edition. And more will surely follow!

Congratulations ... a great coin.

i agree, a very cool coin!
but where is it from?

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2016, 07:54:25 am »
Sorry- Neapolis!  The type has been published just not this variety with Phi I behind Apollo.  It is a quarter until struck from 317/310-279 BC.

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2016, 08:33:58 am »
At Math school we had to take some nuclear physics , I had a professor keep on repeating a known saying ;
“ Out with the new , old with nuclear “

I guess we can say also ;

Out with new , old with ancients.

Good morning everyone.

Nick , welcome to the researchers' beautiful concerns. :)


As Joe says always ;  Be Happy  :)
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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2016, 09:15:46 am »
This one appeared on the market the day the books shipped from Oxford- it's a new and unpublished variety!  Not quite sure how to feel about that...

That's always the way with any numismatic publication involving a catalogue of types/issues. Look on the bright side... something for the second edition. And more will surely follow!

Congratulations ... a great coin.


Exactly , also the added up to date can be put on a special spot on Nick 's web (also at FORVM )

The book is really valuable ,  trusted reference , and fruit of a lot of hard work and nights of study and researches.

We all know this is not kind of book you read at once , collectors go over it , and when needed ,  run to it.

The book is another  candle one the way , will light for ever , leading in  darkness , as FORVM 's lighthouse doing every day :)
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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2016, 06:41:20 pm »
Nick,

I arrived home last night from an interstate trip to find the hard cover Potamikon awaiting me.  What a wonderful welcome home! I'll settle in this weekend for a solid read, to vastly expand my knowledge of the subject.

It is a most impressive work, something of which you and your co-author Nicola Sisci (former Forum member Taras) can be immensely proud. It goes well beyond numismatics and is undoubtedly the most thorough analysis of the subject ever made. The publication is of the highest quality, and beautifully presented. It's easy to see it is the product of a passion for the subject.

Congratulations to you and Nicola on this major achievement.

All the best
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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2016, 07:19:30 pm »


Well, I ordered my copy including the electronic download. Very nice book Nick, you guys did a great job!!

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2016, 07:34:24 pm »
Thanks, c.rhodes!  Did you get the hardcover?  They had 20 available, I think, but I do t know what they were selling them for.

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« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2016, 09:28:50 pm »


No, I am quite content with the soft cover and the digital download - already prowling through that - Nice work!!

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2016, 10:36:24 am »
One of the many awesome things about Potamikon (I feel we should call it "The Potamikon") is how much of it deals with issues beyond the coinage.  As someone interested in archaeology in general, and currently re-reading Michael Grant's Myths of the Greeks and Romans, the breadth of the tale - the spread of the man-faced bull iconography and its related myths and meanings over countless millennia - is staggering, and great fun to read. 

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Re: Potamikon
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2016, 11:05:41 am »
Thanks Shawn (and Lloyd- somehow I accidentally deleted my last reply).

I've always been comprehensive in my approaches to things, but thankfully Dr. Sisci substantiated the work with tremendous amounts of research and insight, so it wasn't just wild speculations. 

I remember doing a project on frogs in the third grade and my presentation was about 70% on pollywogs, and the students in the class kept rolling their eyes because I kept going on and on about pollywogs and hadn't gotten to the true frogs!


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Re: Potamikon- Errata
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2016, 12:47:28 pm »
I have a list of the different errors I've come across that I'll continuously update and post on academia.  On my copy I used a little white-out and rewrote with pen because I couldn't stand to look at them.  The only serious error involved a footnote in the section on Cales (note 50) that wasn't updated when we renumbered the entire document!

If you notice any such errors (general typos, like "Chaclcolithic"...ugh...don't count) please let me know.

https://www.academia.edu/27911889/Potamikon_Errata

Document will be available soon on the above link.  

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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2016, 07:49:47 pm »
I have received the book and it is great!  This is a work that will be cited as a standard for a century--and extremely interesting on many levels.

 

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