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Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« on: May 25, 2015, 04:02:54 pm »
The types are identified with bust type numbers but I can't seem to find the descriptions that correspond to each number.  Anyone know where they are? 

I want to add an English translation of the list to the NumisWiki page.
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Re: Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 06:16:34 pm »
Apparently pp. 237-8; the bust type numbers begin at 10 and go to 77.

Bust type numbers 10-69 are generated by the table on p. 238.

Vertically: Bare r., Bare l., Laureate r., Laureate l., Radiate r., Radiate l.

Horizontally: Shoulders bare, Fold of aegis on shoulder, Fold of cloak on shoulder, Draped seen from behind, Draped seen from front, Cuirassed seen from behind, Cuirassed seen from front, Draped and cuirassed seen from behind, Draped and cuirassed seen from front, Veiled.

Also pp. 38-41 on portrait types: hair and beards of the men, hairdos of the women.

Examples of a good number of these bust types, and of all of the hairdos of the ladies, are illustrated on pl. 1-6.

I think it would have been clearer simply to list the bust types that occur with brief descriptions, and to show examples of each in the same order on the plates.

The table is somewhat complicated to use, and it generates numbers for types that actually do not occur. For example I think that 19 is the only Veiled type that actually occurs, while 29, 39, 49, 59, and 69 are there in the table but never occur on the coins.

The illustrations for the men are unfortunately arranged first by emperor, then for each emperor by catalogue number rather than bust type number. So on pl. 1 we find first Marcus, bust types 10, 12, 10, 38, 30, 53, 39, 37, 35, 38, 37; then Verus, bust types 13, 17, 15, 10, 45, 30, 10, 11, 30, 35, 36, 30, 10, 12. On plates meant to illustrate the bust types, surely it would have been better to illustrate the types that occur in strict numerical order!

Szaivert's work is on my shelf, but I rarely open it: I find that it casts little light, and is difficult to use.
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Re: Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 09:33:33 pm »
I'll have to take another look tomorrow and see if I can understand it. Thanks Curtis.
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Re: Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 07:42:20 pm »
Bust Types Chart

From page 238. Combine the two digits for the complete bust type number, for example 10 = 'Bare-headed right' plus 'Head only', in other words 'Head bare right'. Not every combination actually exists.

1- Bare-headed right
2- Bare-headed left
3- Laureate right
4- Laureate left
5- Radiate right
6- Radiate left

-0 head only or shoulders bare
-1 bust with aegis
-2 bust with drapery on far shoulder
-3 draped bust seen from behind
-4 draped bust seen from front
-5 Cuirassed bust seen from behind
-6 Cuirassed bust seen from front
-7 Draped and cuirassed bust seen from behind
-8 Draped and cuirassed bust seen from front
-9 Veiled

70 - Not used
71 - Bust wearing lion scalp headdress right, club over shoulder
72 - Bust wearing lion scalp headdress right
73 - Bust wearing lion scalp headdress left
74 - Bust with aegis left, spear in left hand
75 - Laureate, draped and cuirassed half length figure right, seen from front
76 - Laureate, bust right with Aegis on naked chest
77 - Janiform laureate bust
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Re: Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 08:13:26 pm »
That seems clearer than Szaivert's table! I would add an example, however:

"Combine the two digits for the complete bust type number, for example 10 = 'Bare-headed right' plus 'Head only', in other words 'Head bare right'."

75 needs correction: "Laureate, draped and cuirassed half length figure right, seen from front"

76: perhaps better "naked chest" rather than "torso"
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Re: Szaivert MIR 18 - Where is the bust type list
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 09:50:12 pm »
Thank Curtis. Corrections made. 
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