Hadrian Denarius Roma not in RIC or BMC mule

[okidoki]

hi all,

looks like RIC 215

Reference.
RIC -; BMC-;

Obv. HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS.
Bare head, draped bust right.

Rev. IVSTITIA AVG
Justitia seated left, patera in right, vertical long scepter in left, COS III in ex.

for RIC 215 P P missing.

3.52 gr

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120909

[curtislclay]

Strack p. 219, 41 (Vienna) = RSC 883b.

Vienna also has a similar denarius with bust laureate, draped r.

These are mules from an old rev. die: the lack of P P in the obverse legend means that it should have been added to the rev. legend, but these coins are from one or more rev. dies that had been engraved before that change was made, and were later erroneously coupled with at least two of the new obv. dies without P P.

Unfortunately Strack does not illustrate the Vienna coins, so we cannot compare their dies to each other and to those of you coin.

[okidoki]

Hello Curtis,

Thank you very much, when you say "Strack p. 219, 41 (Vienna) = RSC 883b" its unpublished?

and revering to Vienna coins, what are they?

[curtislclay]

There is a coin just like yours in Vienna, in the Austrian federal (formerly imperial) coin collection in the Kunsthistorische Museum.

Strack saw it there, and published it in an appendix to his Hadrian catalogue. Seaby, Roman Silver coins, took over Strack's description of the coin.

So rare and interesting, but no, not unpublished!

[okidoki]

ah thank you now i understand the hole picture.

[Charles S]

Hi Eric,

Congratulations with this rare coin.  As you are a collector specialized in Hadrian, it is perhaps a good to look for a copy of Strack's publication:  Paul L. Strack, 1937, Untersuchungen zur Römischen Reichprägung des Zweiten Jahrhunderts.   There are three volumes: Vol I: Trajan, Vol II: Hadrian and Vol. III Antoninus Pius.   They are really worthwhile reference books to have.  In German language, but that should not be a big problem I suppose.

Regards,
Charles

[okidoki]

Hi Eric,

Congratulations with this rare coin.  As you are a collector specialized in Hadrian, it is perhaps a good to look for a copy of Strack's publication:  Paul L. Strack, 1937, Untersuchungen zur Römischen Reichprägung des Zweiten Jahrhunderts.   There are three volumes: Vol I: Trajan, Vol II: Hadrian and Vol. III Antoninus Pius.   They are really worthwhile reference books to have.  In German language, but that should not be a big problem I suppose.

Regards,
Charles

Hello Charles,

Thank you, i have been loooking for this book, i havent found it yet.
i think there isnt a reprint yet.

Best regards,

Eric

[okidoki]

Here is the 2e known variant


in The new RIC II 3
Mules are noted in the General introduction nr. 5

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-159651

[quadrans]

Wow!

Nice find, Eric 

 Joe

[okidoki]

Thank you Joe,

rare indeed

[okidoki]

Here is the 2e known variant


in The new RIC II 3
Mules are noted in the General introduction nr. 5

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-159651

they are reverenced as 1037 and 1038

[Diederik]

Great find Eric! Congrats!

Frans

[okidoki]

Great find Eric! Congrats!

Frans

Dear Frans,

Thank you, i had to blick twice thinking this is not a normal issue