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Author Topic: Diocletianus, AE-(Half :))Quinar, Ticinum, RIC V-II Not in RIC ??? !!!  (Read 1169 times)

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Diocletianus, AE-(Half :))Quinar, Ticinum, RIC V-II Not in RIC ??? !!!

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-119515

Diocletianus (284 - 305 A.D.), AE-Quinar, Ticinum, RIC V-II Not in !!!, -/-//--, VICTORIA AVG G, Victoria walking right, Very Rare !!!
avers: IMP-DIOCLETIANVS-AVG, Cuirassed bust with laurel wreath to the right.
revers: VICTORIA-AVG-G, Victoria walking with wreath and palm branch to the right.
exerg: -/-//--, diameter:15,5mm, weight:1,17(2,34)g, axes: 6h,
mint: Ticinum, date: 293-295 A.D., ref: RIC-V-II-Not in , p-, Very Rare !!!,

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Hi Q, indeed unlisted as a Quinar.
No specimen at Cathy E. King ROMAN QUINARII.

Best regards

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Hi Q, indeed unlisted as a Quinar.
No specimen at Cathy E. King ROMAN QUINARII.

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Ed


 Thank you Ed ..

 I also not find it...

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Hello Quadrans,
I think I can solve your problem :
This is a laureate Denarius from Siscia, not Ticinum, which is indeed unpublished.
Obverse : IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG  Cuirassed bust r.
Reverse : VICTO / R / I / AAVGG . Victory running r.  /--
Your half denarius shares the same reverse die with coin in auction Lanz 159, 8.12.2014, 215  wt. 2.25g. ( but obverse die is different ! ) and also with a companion denarius for
Maximianus Herculius Lanz 64, 7.06.1993, 822, 2.55g.

By the way, such a halved denarius is a rarity for itself in this period !

A good coin ! Congratulations :laugh:

Helveticus

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Hello Quadrans,
I think I can solve your problem :
This is a laureate Denarius from Siscia, not Ticinum, which is indeed unpublished.
Obverse : IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG  Cuirassed bust r.
Reverse : VICTO / R / I / AAVGG . Victory running r.  /--
Your half denarius shares the same reverse die with coin in auction Lanz 159, 8.12.2014, 215  wt. 2.25g. ( but obverse die is different ! ) and also with a companion denarius for
Maximianus Herculius Lanz 64, 7.06.1993, 822, 2.55g.

By the way, such a halved denarius is a rarity for itself in this period !

A good coin ! Congratulations :laugh:

Helveticus

 Hi Helveticus :)

 I find this from the Lanz auction ...

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Hi Quadrans,

Yes this is the coin Lanz 159 ( December 2014), 582.
Now you can see that both your half-coin and this Lanz are sharing the same reverse die.

Lanz attributions to a quinar and Ticinum are just not correct.
The weight 2.4 gms refers to a denarius, not to a quinarius ( where the weight normally varies from 1.4 to 1.8 g. )
The normal size of a quinarius is usually smaller  from 15-16 mms.
The style of the Lanz coin and of your coin is definitely not Ticinum, which struck very few denarii, mostly consular for Diocletianus and Maximianus, during this period.

Thus, your halved coin is the 2nd  known of Diocletianus of this type.
Datation is I feel either Spring 286 after Maximian's accession, or 289-290 as a companion denarius to the start of the large issue of antoniniani VICTORIA AVGG of Siscia.
289 is also the year of the large victory over Sarmatians.

Quadrans,  you seem to have interesting types of the Tetrarchy. Lately we discussed here another of your coins, a mule Antoninianus of Diocletian/ Maximian of the Primis Multis in Rome.
Do you have other odd pieces of this period ?

Helveticus


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Hi Quadrans,

I have to admit an error  and I was too categorical and  quick in posting my answer ! :( I checked again my database.   Yes, the coin is a quinar and not a denarius. Lanz description is thus correct on the denomination.
But the style is definitely Siscia.

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Hi Quadrans,

I have to admit an error  and I was too categorical and  quick in posting my answer ! :( I checked again my database.   Yes, the coin is a quinar and not a denarius. Lanz description is thus correct on the denomination.
But the style is definitely Siscia.

Helveticus


Hi Helveticus ,

 Sorry the late answer but I was out of my office a few day..

Thank you your comments I hope this is a quinar, the mint/style may be Siscia ...I try to Ticinum because I find this Lanz auction description ???
I not find any other refference ...

 you have some more info some other examples  ?

Yes I ave some interesting pieces from this tetrarchia time which type are interested you ???

 I try to look in my collection ...maybe I have some more info for you

 i.e

a Maximianus quinar :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-100751

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Hi Quadrans,

The  quinar of maximianus you last showed is also of Siscia mint.
Your coin is the 2nd known.
Paris has another coin in outstanding condition with the same set of dies.
Companions coins for Diocletian also exist. One of them is published and illustrated in Cathy King's publication on Roman Quinarii > Siscia 2 a (  Zagreb collection ) with the same reverse die as your coin !
All these quinarii from Siscia with larger busts ( in my opinion datation around 288-9 AD ) are very rare.

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Hi Quadrans,

The  quinar of maximianus you last showed is also of Siscia mint.
Your coin is the 2nd known.
Paris has another coin in outstanding condition with the same set of dies.
Companions coins for Diocletian also exist. One of them is published and illustrated in Cathy King's publication on Roman Quinarii > Siscia 2 a (  Zagreb collection ) with the same reverse die as your coin !
All these quinarii from Siscia with larger busts ( in my opinion datation around 288-9 AD ) are very rare.

Helveticus

 Thank you very much my friend :) ;) +++

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