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Title: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on January 27, 2012, 06:15:42 am
Hi, posted this link elsewhere, but it probably belongs here. Site about the art and distribution of Celtic coins in today's Bulgaria (IV - I c. BC), and the surrounding region. Would appreciate your comments:



 http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/category/numismatics/
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on March 19, 2012, 07:07:33 am
"Plunder Coins":


http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/celtic-coins-from-bulgaria-9-plunder-coins/



Shield Coins:

http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/numismatics-10-shield-coins/
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on April 10, 2012, 07:01:17 am
Part 11 (Paeonia 1):

http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/a-question-of-perspective-numismatics-11-paeonia-part-1/
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: monetanova on July 23, 2012, 03:06:50 pm
Thank you for making this a useful resource. I have this celtic bronze piece with trident on obverse - could it be imitation issue from Macedonian ones?
http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/numismatics-6-regional-coinage-strymontrident/
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on July 25, 2012, 02:39:14 pm
The obverse presents a problem. The Celtic heads on these issues tend to be more 'stylized' http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/numismatics-6-regional-coinage-strymontrident/

The head on this one really brings the Lysimachus bronze issues to mind, although of course there is no reason that it can't be a hybrid.
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: WelfIV on July 25, 2012, 05:07:52 pm
Hi,

I am not sure, but from the photo the coin looks as if it was heavily tooled.
If that's true it will be difficult to find out what kind of coin it once had been.

Btw., Cavaros, interesting information obout celtic coins at your site.

Peter
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on July 26, 2012, 09:39:48 am
Thanks Peter. Info. on Celtic coins from eastern Europe and Asia-Minor also at http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4539706&trk=hb_side_g,
if anyone's interested. We hope to gradually upload the collections from all the individual regional museums soon (or at least those that we can get access to!), which should clarify a lot of questions pertaining to Celtic coinage.
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: 4to2CentBCphilia on July 26, 2012, 10:04:14 am
Thanks Peter. Info. on Celtic coins from eastern Europe and Asia-Minor also at http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4539706&trk=hb_side_g,
if anyone's interested. We hope to gradually upload the collections from all the individual regional museums soon (or at least those that we can get access to!), which should clarify a lot of questions pertaining to Celtic coinage.

Your site proved invaluable as I researched celtic coins before purchasing my two Thasos imitative tets (below)

The regional museums you mention....would they include the museum in Jambol Bulgaria?

I am told the museum has an obverse die matched specimen on display (of the second coin below)


BR

Mark
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: Cavaros on July 26, 2012, 02:41:29 pm
The first one may be a Thasos original. It certainly doesn't portray any of the typical 'celticization' on the later imitations.http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/celtic-coin-distribution-in-bulgaria-part-2-thasos-model/ The second coin looks strangely familiar, both the obverse and reverse. I hope for the right reasons! The first few collections will be up in a few weeks. I'm afraid, for various reasons, I can't be more specific than that at the moment.  :(
Title: Re: Celtic Coinage from Bulgaria
Post by: 4to2CentBCphilia on July 26, 2012, 04:11:03 pm
The first one may be a Thasos original. It certainly doesn't portray any of the typical 'celticization' on the later imitations.http://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/celtic-coin-distribution-in-bulgaria-part-2-thasos-model/ The second coin looks strangely familiar, both the obverse and reverse. I hope for the right reasons! The first few collections will be up in a few weeks. I'm afraid, for various reasons, I can't be more specific than that at the moment.  :(

The first is attributed by CNG as an imitative issue Islands off Thrace, Thasos. Le Rider, Thasiennes 52; HGC 6, 359.

It is of a very fine style for an imitative issue and I bought it because it was better than most original issues I had been perusing over the year. Now you have me wondering which it might be. The hercules is certainly different than typical original issues. I love it either way, but now I have to look into this further.

As for the second......CNG once again. As for authenticity, well that is why I was eager to see if you were going to put up the collection in Jambol. The obverse is pretty crude compared to even the crudest/abstract portraits. I bought it on the assumption that it was genuine and rather unique looking (and after checking numerous fake reports) With that in mind,  it would be nice to verify a die match to the specimen in Jambol ......assuming theirs is authentic..

I will watch for your first uploads

BR

Mark