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Title: I dont know what I have.
Post by: NewGuy on February 19, 2010, 05:41:16 pm
Ive had a coin for at least 13 years. I found it on the ground. Ive been trying to find some information on it, and I have found that some Judean coins have the same symbols as mine. It looks to be hand struck. It has a 6 branched what looks to be a palm tree with 2 bunches of something hanging on the front. And it has what looks like a bunch of grapes with 2 leafs on the back, does anyone know anything about one of these? It is clearly marked on the front and back but I cant read the language. I know my desciption is vague but any info on similar coins would help alot.
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Jochen on February 19, 2010, 06:17:30 pm
Hi NewGuy!

Welcome on the FORVM. Can you provide a pic of your coin?

Best regards
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Ibex-coins on February 19, 2010, 06:45:19 pm
without a picture, couldn't say, but a good guess is a Bar-kockhba middle bronze.  I assume you found it on the ground in Israel?
Ronn
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Aarmale on February 20, 2010, 06:30:41 pm
I would have to agree with Ronn.  Your discription fits the Bar-Kochba Middle Bronze, or small bronze.  Picture would be helpful.

The first coin is a Bar-Kochba Middle Bronze, 133/134 CE (H-708 var.), with the obverse side being a grape leaf (Text reading "Year __ for the freedom of Israel), reverse is a 7 branced palm tree with text "Shimon" (could also be written: Shim'on the Prince of Israel (H.#108), or without the title: Shim'on (H.#109), or shortened as Shim' (H.#110). ).
The second is a Bar-Kocba Small bronze,  "Shim'on" veriety, 134/135 CE (H-739). Obverse is grape bunch, with text "Year _ for the freedom of Jerusalem", reverse is 7 branced palm tree, text "Shimon" (could be spelt as "Shimo", "Elazar the high priest" or "Jerusalem")

The 7-branced tree may be symbolizing the 7-branched Menorah.

-Aarmale
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: NewGuy on February 21, 2010, 06:20:53 pm
Ok, finally got a couple pics, lol

Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: NewGuy on February 21, 2010, 06:25:16 pm
The stuff on it looks so raised because I had a light shining on it from the side.
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Aarmale on February 21, 2010, 06:26:46 pm
I found it on the ground.  ...It is clearly marked on the front and back but I cant read the language.
This is a fake Bar-Kochba small bronze.   Its also in modern Hebrew.  The obverse side reads "ירושלם" (Jerusalem).  The rev is "שב לחרתי שרשאל" (Year two for the freedom of Israel).

Tourist fake?
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: NewGuy on February 21, 2010, 06:42:07 pm
Ah man. That stinks. I actually found it in the mountains of West Virginia while metal detecting. I wish it were worth something, I was going to sell it and do a baby room for my daughter who is on the way.
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Aarmale on February 21, 2010, 06:54:48 pm
Sorry  :-[.  If it were real, it would go for a few hundred bucks.

-Aarmale
Title: Re: I dont know what I have.
Post by: Ibex-coins on February 22, 2010, 12:13:02 am
You found  the coin in the mountains of West Virginia, proof yet again that the Jews discovered america first.  Pretty remarkable that in the midst of a rebellion against the Romans, Bar Kokhba was able to launch an expedition to the New World.

Ronn
(the above post should be taken with a "small" grain of salt")