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Numismatic and History Discussion Forums => Medieval, Islamic and Crusader Coins Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Joe Sermarini on December 28, 2008, 07:24:56 pm

Title: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on December 28, 2008, 07:24:56 pm: (https://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/33022q00.jpg)

This is what I think it is:

Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud
Obverse: Hellenistic head left wearing crested helmet; the Kalima in Kufic around
Reverse: Kufic four-line legend of Caliph Al Mustansir and Ghazi, surrounded by a circular legend with the mint and date
Nisibin mint
575 A.H.
Mitchiner 1123

I believe it is at least scarce, probably rare.

Do I have it right? (odds seem slim. :) )

Retail value?
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: PeterD on December 29, 2008, 11:32:39 am: I will probably be corrected by the experts but to me it looks like Album 1863.1
AE Dirham of 'Izz al-Din Mas'ud I, 576-589/1180-1193
minted al-Jazira in 577 only. Rated "R"
For an example see:
http://medievalcoins.ancients.info/cgi-bin/webdata_coinbase.pl?fid=1134082145.022&query=%26Ruler%3DIzz%2Bal-Din%2BMas%2527ud%2BI%2Bbin%2BMawdud%26pagenum%3D1%26cgifunction%3DSearch&cgifunction=form

I have a different Zangid type which is in better condition but rated "C" for which I paid £35, if that is any help.
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on December 29, 2008, 12:25:41 pm: I also thought it might be that coin but the Mitchiner plate coins are not great. Since I cannot read the script, I can only try to match as close as possible. From the online photo, I agree it is Album 1863.1.
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: napki on December 29, 2008, 12:34:45 pm: Partial date X77 visible in reverse margin so PeterD likely correct. I not have catalogues with me on beautiful sunny beach ;D for complete ID. Fair retail value maybe US$75-$100 because it not that pretty example.
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: Howard Cole on December 30, 2008, 12:51:42 am: I paid $47 for my example of this coin about two years ago. It is slightly better than your coin.
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: Constantine IV on January 04, 2009, 11:40:19 am: I was wondering...
Did the Zangids and Artuqids actually mint coins with 'classical' images in them, or did they use coins found in hoards and then restrike them?
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: Howard Cole on January 05, 2009, 01:04:48 am: They minted the coins with the designs on them. They are called Islamic Figural Bronzes. Also the Begteginids, Seljuqs of Rum, Ayyubids, and Lu'lu'id of Mosul issued figural bronzes too.

I have over 90 of these in my collection. Some are very rare and many are copies of ones I already own.
Title: Re: Zangids of Mosul, Sayf al-Din Ghazi ibn Modud?
Post by: napki on January 05, 2009, 10:08:44 am: Quote from: Masis P on January 04, 2009, 11:40:19 am
I was wondering...
Did the Zangids and Artuqids actually mint coins with 'classical' images in them, or did they use coins found in hoards and then restrike them?
Turk peoples copy classical coins when they begin to make coins of themselves - Seleukid, Imperial, Provincial, Byzantine. In many cases can find specific match. Quran bans "graven image" but Turks at that time really only thin paper of Islam over ancient steppe culture. Is also possible they employ Nestorian Christians as die engravers.