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Title: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 10, 2007, 03:23:02 pm
Oh yes, time is moving fast these days. And new things are constantly being invented. We've all seen how the internet changed coin collecting (or you wouldn't be here reading this, duh! ;D), but I'm going to show you that even new Roman emperors are being invented all the time. Browsing that "data superhighway", you will find rulers that you never heard about in your history lessons, or even in RIC. I'd like to re-create an older, now deleted thread and invite you to add all these names you found, not exclusively but often in a well-known www location. These include:

Aerelian
Antunios Bius
Claudius Albinius
Claudius Croticus
Conctance (in French, Constance would be correct for Constantius)
Consnotius
Constantinius
Constantius I Chlorox
Constentius
Demintian
Diakliatian
Dioctolianus
Diogletian
Diomitian
Dominicianus
Galianus
Giordanius Pius
Hardian (didn't find his co-emperor Laurelius yet)
Henrietta Otracilla
Idoxia
Jestine
Lentulus Sprinter
Losius verous
Lulianus Apostata
Luscinius
Macrionos
Manlius Scintilla
Marcus Aurelianus
Maximinianus (also Maximilianus)
Orbania
Piscinius Niger
Probebus
Pucas (for Phokas)
Rapienus (Pupienus?)
Septiminus Severus
Septimus Servus
Severena
Severnius (for Severina!)
Severus the IV
Theodius I
Trhirnus Decius
Trojanus
Vapalatuch

and guest starring:

Pontius Pilot!! ;D

Eagerly waiting for your contributions,

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 10, 2007, 04:15:44 pm
After a brief browse all I could find was a 'CONSTENTIUS'. Another son of Constantine?? They should have castrated the man!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: b70 on June 10, 2007, 04:28:29 pm
Diomitian!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: awl on June 10, 2007, 04:43:06 pm
Claudius Albinius
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: basemetal on June 10, 2007, 09:59:16 pm
Demintian.   I swear I saw it last week! 
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: rick fox on June 10, 2007, 10:17:58 pm
I found Luscinius

Rupert has found Maximinianus, Giordanius Pius, Constantinius and Antunios Bius
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 11, 2007, 01:16:56 pm
Demintian.   I swear I saw it last week! 

Somebody mixed up the emperor's name here with his latest diagnosis!

I'll add the newly-found names to the first post of the thread, like Joe does with the Known Fake Sellers. It will give a better overview, in case this thread gets longer.

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 11, 2007, 01:32:20 pm
We also have to take into account that many sellers are not first lanuguage english speakers, and therefore not neccesarily thick! For instance Lucius Verus in Italian is Lucio Vero, while the Maltese equivalent is Lucju Veru,  sounds very strange to us!!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 11, 2007, 02:54:57 pm
Sure. Of course Lucio Vero or Giulio Cesare is perfectly correct in Italian, such as Mark Aurel is in German (though I prefer to call him Marcus Aurelius, it sounds three or four degrees nobler). So these guys won't make it on this <very> distinguished list!

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: GMoneti on June 11, 2007, 04:59:43 pm
It would be interesting to note all the variations of the emperors' names in the different languages.  For example in Bulgarian, Marcus Aurelius is Mark Avrelii ("v" like in victor, not latin "u"), Antoninus Pius is Antonin Pii (like in pee), Commodus is Comod, Claudius is Clavdii, Nero is Neron and Titus is just Tit.  :)  There is a pattern of doing away with the "ius" at the end, changing the "u" to a "v" etc.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 11, 2007, 05:25:10 pm
I noticed this when reading about the deceased Pope, Johannes Paul II. in German, also known as Jan Pawel (Polish), Juan Pablo (Spanish), Gianpaolo (Italian), Joao Paulo (Portuguese), John Paul (English, without George and Ringo here), Jean Paul in French, and so on...

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: wandigeaux (1940 - 2010) on June 11, 2007, 06:40:50 pm
In regard to emperors' names in foreign languages, what about that distant relative of many of us, and the founder of a nation, Macsen Wledig?  Salutations, George Spradling
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jdparks on June 11, 2007, 11:37:30 pm
As a major collector of Luscinius, I was sad to learn his wife Luscitainia was sunk by a German Uboat in WWI.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 12, 2007, 01:18:49 pm
As a major collector of Luscinius, I was sad to learn his wife Luscitainia was sunk by a German Uboat in WWI.
;D Good one!

Found two smashers from a seller of surprisingly good coins.

SEVERENA  and......

CONCTANCE.

Of course!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: awl on June 12, 2007, 09:38:51 pm
I found another one, Marcellinus. I have no clue what emperor they are even thinking of.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Goodies on June 13, 2007, 10:56:43 am
hi,,

The first "Marcellinus" I can find was a pope in pre-Christian times, that is under Diocletian.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paus_Marcellinus

"Macrianus" or "Macrinus" come close..  ;D

by the way....

TFRICVS
FETPICS
VTRICVS
SVCITET
TRICS

... is all Tetricus on quite a lot of Tetricus' coins found in Northern Europe !

 :tongue:
Lx
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 13, 2007, 05:46:20 pm
Gentlemen: Meet Marcellinus! Nothing wrong with this one, except of course he wasn't emperor but the moneyer of this Republican denarius (picture from Coinarchives).

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: rick fox on June 13, 2007, 06:29:40 pm
As a major collector of Luscinius, I was sad to learn his wife Luscitainia was sunk by a German Uboat in WWI.

OMG!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 14, 2007, 12:17:10 pm
I found "Diakliatian" today. I still have to find the language in which this spelling is correct. ;D

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Goodies on June 14, 2007, 01:56:15 pm
I found "Diakliatian" today. I still have to find the language in which this spelling is correct. ;D

Rupert

I'm afraid it must be some German-Austrian dialect  :-\ according to Google that is

By the way any idea who is the father of Canstantine ? hint: he was frequently on harseback  ;D

And euhm there is a coin of Antionus in one of the member's collections at forumancient.. :tongue: :laugh:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=477&page=8&sort=td

 :o ;D
Lx
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Ardatirion on June 14, 2007, 07:49:16 pm
I confess, today I raised a new emperor to the purple, Cladius II.  :-[
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 15, 2007, 05:03:24 pm
I have found another one which certainly qualifies for our list: Maximinius Daza. It was on another coin forum as a link to an ebay sellers store, where is it was correctly spelled! Phew! ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: jamesicus on June 15, 2007, 05:14:39 pm
I have found another one which certainly qualifies for our list: Maximinius Daza. It was on another coin forum as a link to an ebay sellers store, where is it was correctly spelled! Phew! ;D

Well, Maximianus and Maximinus are certainly my spelling bugbears these days  -- I am forever getting the wrong number of M's, I's and N's in the wrong places -- or getting unintended extra ones -- despite my best intentions and concentrated efforts. I don't seem to recall ever having this problem 67 years ago! ::)

James
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 15, 2007, 05:58:31 pm

Well, Maximianus and Maximinus are certainly my spelling bugbears these days 
James

Yeah, that happens to me too but I'm 24! I just split them into little memonics: Maxi-minus and Maxi-mi-an-us. ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: vic9128 on June 15, 2007, 05:59:01 pm
It is easy enough to make spelling errors, though.

Check out our very own Ried Goldsborough's mini page on these Alexander imitations

His name is Reid  ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scipio Helveticus on June 15, 2007, 06:01:05 pm
It is easy enough to make spelling errors, though.

Check out our very own Ried Goldsborough's mini page on these Alexander imitations

His name is Reid  ;)

NITPICKING!! I speed type ok??!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on June 21, 2007, 07:03:41 am
I have found another one which certainly qualifies for our list: Maximinius Daza. It was on another coin forum as a link to an ebay sellers store, where is it was correctly spelled! Phew! ;D

Well, Maximianus and Maximinus are certainly my spelling bugbears these days  -- I am forever getting the wrong number of M's, I's and N's in the wrong places -- or getting unintended extra ones -- despite my best intentions and concentrated efforts. I don't seem to recall ever having this problem 67 years ago! ::)

James

For me it's the name Philip and Philippopolis (or is that Phillipopolis?)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: maridvnvm on June 21, 2007, 07:44:30 am
What about Severnius?

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I have also found Constantuis but it is a simple typo.
Martin
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: jmuona on June 21, 2007, 07:59:25 am
Well, it goes the other way around as well. Soon we will have Roman emperors people are not allowed to hear of!
I have come across several internet sites, which will not accept for a pseudonym or in the text the real names of certain Roman emperors. The list is long, starting with Vespasianus, then Domitianus, Trajanus, Hadrianus  etc
I am sure you get the point.
These absurd sites claim that these names are obscene!! Perhaps the people in the interent business should start paying less attention to the censoring forces of certain nations. Not only as a numismatist I find this funny, but also as a biologist. Who in the world can regard something so definitely everyday as an anus obscene.
By the way, is FORVM blocked by library programs in some countries because of such obscenity?

s.
Jyrki Muona
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 21, 2007, 05:10:16 pm
Forum has this kind of software but obviously it can be adjusted; it would make no sense if we couldn't talk about Aurelianus, Maximianus and Vespasianus! But other words do make problems: lately we were talking about a white whale, and the name always came up as "Moby thingy"; also, have a look at my motto - before somebody told me a trick about how to post it, it had been automatically transformed into "Duthingy volentem fata..." ;D ::)

Rupert (I've been told that in French the name Rupert might sound like a naughty word...)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Goodies on June 21, 2007, 05:26:46 pm
hi @Rupert,,

A spelling checker that really does something would be a disaster here.. :-\

I checked out Diadimenian, it worked..

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Diadimenian&meta=

By the way.. Dalmatius 20.000 hits, Delmatius 10.000

Let democracy rule ? is language rule-bound anyway..

 :)
Lx
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: jamesicus on June 21, 2007, 05:28:40 pm
.......... I have come across several internet sites, which will not accept for a pseudonym or in the text the real names of certain Roman emperors. The list is long, starting with Vespasianus, then Domitianus, Trajanus, Hadrianus  etc
I am sure you get the point.
These absurd sites claim that these names are obscene!! ..........

A fountain pen collector's Discussion Board to which I belonged installed an obscene word blocker -- participants experienced difficuluties in many instances when describing pens, such as: "My new pen is black"  ::) :laugh:

James
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 21, 2007, 05:47:38 pm
Er... what's the bad word in this sentence? Are you supposed to write: "My new pen is Afro-American"? While I do see that there are some bad words that we shouldn't use anymore, I think you can overdo Political Correctness, and many people do just that.

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: moonmoth on June 21, 2007, 05:52:30 pm
The pen is mightier than the sword.  Especially if the gap between the second and third words gets omitted.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 21, 2007, 05:56:15 pm
 ;D ;) :angel:
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: jamesicus on June 21, 2007, 05:57:24 pm
The pen is mightier than the sword.  Especially if the gap between the second and third words gets omitted.
Right! Of course, the word blocker checks for spaces to preclude miscreants (?) from using them to circumvent the "censor" (old CENSPER Domitian would be envious!)  ;) :laugh:

James
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jochen on June 21, 2007, 06:12:51 pm
Down with political correctness!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: dpaul7 on June 23, 2007, 08:33:20 pm
Well, I decided to check my Roman gallery after reading these!  Sure enough -

HERRENIUS ETRUSCUS

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I have corrected!  Mea culpa! Mea culpa!  Mea Maxima Culpa!

dpaul7
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jochen on June 23, 2007, 08:46:00 pm
Why Philippus with two P is always called Philip with only one P instead of Philipp?
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: slokind on June 24, 2007, 01:09:32 am
Because Philip is the modern form of the name, and it has lost (except among Greek readers) its 'horse' reference: phil + 'ippos (or hippos).  And in Philippopolis, that easiest to spell of all place names, we have the polis (cf. political) founded by Philippos, who would have wanted to be counted as Greek even if he was Macedonian.
Luckily there was no emperor named Deuteronomius, else many (like my little sister) would associate it with 'hominy' rather than the Law; my sister could neither pronounce nor spell it until she was seven or eight years old.
The Anglo-American surname, Phillips, however, is in origin just plain illiterate.  Pat L.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on June 26, 2007, 03:35:43 am
Back on topic:  Lulianus Apostata 361 - 363.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on July 07, 2007, 06:04:16 pm
Why Philippus with two P is always called Philip with only one P instead of Philipp?

What Jochen means is: in Germany, we are not used to Philip with one P because the German form (it's a popular name here as well) is written Philipp.

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on February 06, 2008, 03:43:46 pm
Wow folks, I'm proud to introduce a real aviation pioneer here: Meet Pontius Pilot!

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Cool, isn't it?

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: silvernut on February 06, 2008, 04:26:07 pm
 ;D ;D Had a good laugh with this one...
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: basemetal on February 06, 2008, 07:53:43 pm
Thank goodness the romans knew the personification of the sky (Ouranos in the greek) as ahh...Caelus (spelling?) during the roman age as opposed to the modern spelling and pronunciation.  Otherwise we'd have some interesting surviving writings.
"Severus consulted the priests and was told:  The augurs of Uranus say that it is a bad time to go to Brittania"  ;)

Basemetal
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on February 07, 2008, 12:29:48 pm
Well, the Romans used virtually everything to tell the future from, didn't they? Even Uranus or mine, if we had lived then...  :afro:

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on February 23, 2008, 07:11:24 pm
Here comes Macrionos:

Nikopolis ad Istrum in Moesia Inferior, Macrinus, issued by Legate Marcus Claudius Agrippa, 217-218 AD.,
Æ 27 / 4 assaria (25-26 mm / 9,74 g),
Obv.: [AYT K OΠΠEΛ CE] - VH MAKPIONOC , laureate head of Macrinus right (the first O in Macrionoc is very weak - a corrected slip of the celator ?).
Rev.: YΠ AΓPIΠΠA - NIKOΠOΛITΩN / ΠPOC I  (in ex.) , serpent climbing up tripod.
Pick (AMNG) 441, 1718 ; https://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/PontianusAgrippaDies.html ....obv. M .

Regaords
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jochen on February 23, 2008, 08:10:16 pm
Nice find! I think with the correction by the die cutter you can be right!

Best regards
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on February 24, 2008, 11:56:38 am
Historically "Dalmatius" may be more accurate than "Delmatius" and is preferred by many historians.

Back to the topic, however: I see a lot of "Septimus Severus" listings, even by dealers who should know better.

A favorite I've found: Lickamachos
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on February 24, 2008, 02:12:39 pm
The emperor Tericus; it's quite clear in hand, though it's hard to get an acceptable scan. He may well be Augustus, though that part of the inscription is off flan, as Tetricus II barbs tend to elevate him to the top job.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: moonmoth on April 12, 2008, 02:16:08 am
I'd just like to put in a mention of Gordian 111, the last emperor of the longest dynasty known to mankind.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: rick fox on April 21, 2008, 07:16:01 pm
Hmmm, I knew I needed to brush up on my history a little, but today, I found Severus the IV.

Pretty cool, I bet it is really rare!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: maridvnvm on April 22, 2008, 12:29:46 pm
This one was described as "Roman Silver Denarius of Panto". I fell off my chair I was laughing so much....
Martin
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: moonmoth on April 22, 2008, 12:35:56 pm
Well, yes.  Anyone can see his surname is "Ninvsavg."
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Will Hooton on April 22, 2008, 12:58:54 pm
This one was described as "Roman Silver Denarius of Panto". I fell off my chair I was laughing so much....
Martin

I saw that! Along with Postimus and Septimius Severus.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on April 22, 2008, 01:04:54 pm
What's so funny about Septimius Severus?
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on April 22, 2008, 01:37:56 pm
I understand he's quite famous.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: maridvnvm on April 22, 2008, 01:38:50 pm
I must be missing something....
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: David Atherton on April 22, 2008, 01:44:26 pm
Oh c'mon guys!

You've never heard of Emperor Panto and his sons Shirto and Belto?
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on April 22, 2008, 04:58:01 pm
Gaius, please explain why "Septimius Severus" is funny. I often see the name incorrectly spelled "Septimus Severus," which stems either from ignorance or poor typing, but "Septimius Severus" is correct.

Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Will Hooton on April 22, 2008, 05:25:51 pm
Gaius, please explain why "Septimius Severus" is funny. I often see the name incorrectly spelled "Septimus Severus," which stems either from ignorance or poor typing, but "Septimius Severus" is correct.
It has been explianed to me that the proper spelling is indeed Septimius. I am slightly dyslexic (or ignorant as you quaintly put it). Apologies for any confusion!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on April 22, 2008, 08:00:26 pm
Sorry, Gaius. I did not mean to imply that YOU were ignorant! I meant some of the sellers on line specifically. No offense was meant. I just thought I was perhaps missing something.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: vic9128 on April 22, 2008, 08:07:02 pm
The word ignorant need not be taken as an insult, as it can simply mean "uninformed."

For example, I am ignorant concerning, among many other things, quantum mechanics!

Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Will Hooton on April 23, 2008, 03:07:58 am
Nevermind Commodus! I am a bit touchy about my spelling, I had a hard time with it at school and college. And Victor, true, ignorance need not be an insult of course!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: rick fox on April 25, 2008, 08:57:09 pm

For example, I am ignorant concerning, among many other things, quantum mechanics!

I can call one for you if you need some help alongside the highway of life!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: vic9128 on April 25, 2008, 09:36:26 pm
I can call one for you if you need some help alongside the highway of life!

Ha  :)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Cleisthenes on April 26, 2008, 04:12:06 am
There's a highway?

Jim
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Katharosteriphos on May 04, 2008, 06:41:30 am
Here's one of the Rarest coins ever, as this emperor only ruled for a few hours on the afternoon of april 1st, 307 AD. Of course, he didn't have much time to produce coins, in fact, only one example is known to mankind today.

Gents, may I present Emperor ENTUIS, Pius Felix Augustus!

Here's the description, as found in ebay:

Ancient Greek / Roman 26mm Coin ENTUIS ? Copper/bronze

and here's the pic:

PS: Note the very rare engraving error: The reverse is upside down!! This is one of the rarest errors encountered, and this on a coin from Entuis!!

-kat
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on May 04, 2008, 10:38:25 am
They'll be finding the lost trial strike of Maximus Obscurus next, the famous single example minted during his five-minute reign.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on May 07, 2008, 02:47:52 pm
Now here's Henrietta Otracilla!
Great mixup of Herennia and Otacilia, isn't it? This is called a syncretism, I think.

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Best regards,

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: moonmoth on May 09, 2008, 11:33:05 am
(For your delectation:)

A RARE and BEAUTIFUL  1700+ YR old

Ancient ROMAN coin of:

HARDIAN


(So called because he wore a wreath of Laurel, I expect.)

As it's on a certain auction site, I won't give a link here.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on May 09, 2008, 12:32:01 pm
Of course - have you never heard of Laurelian and Hardian??? The Emperors of Roman Comedy? ;D

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on May 14, 2008, 07:11:14 am
Losius verous !

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45658.from1210753342;topicseen#msg286049

A.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Enodia on May 14, 2008, 09:53:08 am
how about the relatively unknown Vericovs the Vain?
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on May 14, 2008, 07:24:58 pm
I saw a "Piscinius Niger" on ebay a short while back.
I liked that almost as well as a fake of "Manlius Scintilla" offered some time ago!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on May 23, 2008, 03:41:05 pm
The hardest of all Roman emperors: Hardian !

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45836.from1211568919;topicseen#msg287144


A.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Corduba on June 08, 2008, 04:00:55 am
I believe that "Rapienus" is new on the list.  ;)

Best regards, Ignacio.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 28, 2008, 11:49:16 am
Not only Roman emperors, Greek kings too are in constant danger of having their names mutilated by illiterates; look here:

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I quote: "alexandra the greats farther philip 11 bronze 359 bc"

Wow, Alexandra the Great - I hadn't heard of that lady before...

Rupert ::)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on June 28, 2008, 02:37:18 pm
Actually she was a singer and had a famous song about a dead tree.

 ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on June 28, 2008, 03:21:12 pm
 :) :laugh: ;D

To everyone who doesn't know German music and Alexandra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO587MFgM00

Rupert
Title: Trhirnus Decius
Post by: Arminius on July 06, 2008, 06:59:37 pm
Maybe a cousin or near relative of Trajanus Decius:

Viminacium in Moesia Superior, Trhirnus Decius, 250-251 AD.,
Æ Sestertius (26-28 mm / 12,64 g),
Obv.: IMP TRHIRNVS DECIVS AV , laurelate, cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
Rev.: P M S - C - OL VIM / AN XII , Moesia standing between advancing bull and lion, holding up branch (or bundle of rice) to the left.
Pick-Martin 3' 24' 3 ; Pick (AMNG I), 47, 133 var.

 ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on July 08, 2008, 10:54:26 pm
Recently on ebay: "Constantius I Chlorox"

Doubtless the whitest of the emperors.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Postumus14 on July 22, 2008, 02:47:38 pm
Currently on the well known auction site - CLAUDIUS CROTICUS.

Apparently in honour of his victory over the Crots.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Scotvs Capitis on August 09, 2008, 01:57:15 am
I have made some major discoveries.

Surely in your trekking across the eastern reaches of fleabay you have encountered these very rare kings and womans -

Dioctolianus

Vapalatuch (often seen with his buddy Aurelian)

Pucas

Idoxia (Roman womans)

Jestine

Galianus
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on August 09, 2008, 02:50:00 am
I'll never finish my 'one of every emperor' collection this way.  >:(
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: moonmoth on September 08, 2008, 06:52:13 am
Spotted today: An antoninianus of Otacilia Severa, identified as a large denarius "perhaps Julis Domina".

Or perhaps not.

There's also an antoninanus of Trebonianus Gallus with the same description, but that's probably just the error of not amending a template.

Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Potator II on November 04, 2008, 03:21:51 pm
Just found on fleebay a "rare denarius of SALLI ORBIANA" showing a picture of a Salonina antoninianus  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on November 04, 2008, 03:30:03 pm
Just found on fleebay a "rare denarius of SALLI ORBIANA" showing a picture of a Salonina antoninianus  ;D

Just wondering what Empress Salonina would have replied if we had addressed her with "Hi Salli"?! But maybe she would have stood above such things (etiquette infringements by barbarians) and our heads wouldn't have rolled...

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Mark Z on November 18, 2008, 11:48:52 am
funny thread  :laugh:

mz
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on December 09, 2008, 04:22:05 am
This was on Moneta, so I can't claim credit but this is the best yet:

Roman Bronze Valenttini - Anvs (Aug 367 - Nov 375 A.D.)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on December 09, 2008, 04:35:36 am
Hygieia - sanitation.

Thats the reason for wearing gloves and keep this "dark hole" in a smell proof box.

As we use to say for posted highlights:

A nice find, Andreas !

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Steve Minnoch on December 09, 2008, 04:43:57 am
How much does it cost to entomb a coin like that?  It wouldn't surprise me if it was a lot more than the value of the coin!

Steve
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Will Hooton on December 09, 2008, 06:44:30 am
This was on Moneta, so I can't claim credit but this is the best yet:

Roman Bronze Valenttini - Anvs (Aug 367 - Nov 375 A.D.)


Thats what I call overkill! ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Maffeo on December 09, 2008, 06:46:20 am
slabbing coins is perverse, and as for slabbing an Anvs, that's even worse
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on December 09, 2008, 01:11:40 pm
Actually, seeing coins with obv. legend separated "MAXIMI - ANVS" I wondered a few times before whether ancient Romans wouldn't have had the same connotation ("Maximi Anvs" would mean "The Anvs of the Greatest")?!

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Raymond on December 15, 2008, 04:35:57 pm
or the reverse...
Raymond
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Noah on December 16, 2008, 10:27:31 pm
I have come across several internet sites, which will not accept for a pseudonym or in the text the real names of certain Roman emperors. The list is long, starting with Vespasianus, then Domitianus, Trajanus, Hadrianus  etc
I am sure you get the point. These absurd sites claim that these names are obscene!!

Obscene??  I guess they are lucky that there isn't a Poopianus!!  Anyway, I did come across a Probebus quite some time ago on ebay.  These guys should at least do the bear minimum research when attempting to unload their "goods."

Best, Noah
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 17, 2008, 05:18:58 pm
Of course there's a Poopy Anus, the Romans just misspelt it. One of these days an eBay seller will correct them!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Noah on December 18, 2008, 08:16:43 am
Of course there's a Poopy Anus, the Romans just misspelt it. One of these days an eBay seller will correct them!

Precisely!!   ;D

Best, Noah
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on December 21, 2008, 01:45:13 am
How much does it cost to entomb a coin like that?  It wouldn't surprise me if it was a lot more than the value of the coin!

Steve

Indeed! Kind of like putting a $10 print in a $500 frame.
I see this sort of thing with astonishing frequency (though seldom with identification so enlightening). Send off a $1 coin plus oh, say, fifty bucks to get it slabbed like that. Crazy! But, I guess if you have a coin of the great Valentini Anus it would be worth it ;D  There's one grading service (I forget which but I am sure many of you all have seen their wares) that will slab such things as being "Coins of the Bible." Any ancient coin will qualify for them, regardless of when or where it was struck. None I have seen have any connection whatsoever with the bible.
But I digress from the topic at hand...
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Noah on December 21, 2008, 08:00:10 pm
"Entombing" coins in such a manner is sad IMHO.  These coins were meant to be handled and admired freely.  Another analogy would be like getting a dog and keeping it in a cage, never playing with it at all! 

Best, Noah
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 22, 2008, 05:18:32 pm
There's one grading service (I forget which but I am sure many of you all have seen their wares) that will slab such things as being "Coins of the Bible." Any ancient coin will qualify for them, regardless of when or where it was struck. None I have seen have any connection whatsoever with the bible.
But I digress from the topic at hand...

It always seems to me that most 'Biblical' coins have the most tenuous connection to the canonical text, if that!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on January 04, 2009, 02:47:45 am
The emperor Servio Sulpicio Bent!

http://www.memo.fr/en/article.aspx?ID=PER_ANT_105

This is of course one of those amusing translation gaffes that so frequently occur (indeed, the entire article is quite an enjoyable read for this same reason).
The emperor referred to is better known as Galba.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on January 04, 2009, 03:40:12 am
Ouch! It seems that galber is a scarcely-used (at least I never heard it before - ok, my French is quite mediocre) French word for "to bend" or "to curve". Then "(il) galba" would mean "(he) bent" (French "passé simple" or simple past). Word should have spread in the meantime that people should check their articles after having them automatically translated by a computer!

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Potator II on January 04, 2009, 04:45:07 am
Ouch! It seems that galber is a scarcely-used (at least I never heard it before - ok, my French is quite mediocre) French word for "to bend" or "to curve". Then "(il) galba" would mean "(he) bent" (French "passé simple" or simple past). Word should have spread in the meantime that people should check their articles after having them automatically translated by a computer!

Rupert

Althought I'm french, and used to "passé simple", and used to play with words (not "funnily" everytime), I would never had thought to translate Galba in Bent. It is a VERY funny one :D :D :D

Potator
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on January 04, 2009, 05:32:49 am
We might add that Bent is a Scandinavian (Danish, Swedish would be Bengt) male first name. There are certainly some coin collectors named Bent, but will they be aware that they could translate their name into Galba??

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on January 06, 2009, 05:48:42 pm
It's also used as a surname.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Tiberiusjulius on January 24, 2009, 02:03:02 pm
Don't know if this one has been stated,but here we go anyway. Diogletian.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on July 19, 2009, 06:39:30 pm
The emperor of magnetism (by P****, London):

"Maiorina" just means "big one", and comes from a document relating to the monetary reforms of Constantius II. In that context it might of referred to the large coins of Magnetius.

Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jochen on July 19, 2009, 07:40:20 pm
I know 'bent' as slang word for 'gay' too!  ;D

Best regards
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: cliff_marsland on July 19, 2009, 07:48:34 pm
Taking the theme literally, I had never heard of Tiberius Petasius until I happened upon a coin attributed to him on coinarchives.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: CzarMike on July 20, 2009, 12:34:34 pm
Biggus Dickus  :P
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: quisquam on July 20, 2009, 12:58:38 pm
The emperor of magnetism (by P****, London):

"Maiorina" just means "big one", and comes from a document relating to the monetary reforms of Constantius II. In that context it might of referred to the large coins of Magnetius.

I guess he issued very attractive coins.  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: antvwala on July 20, 2009, 01:08:20 pm
Any similarity with Italian politicians is just random....  :angel:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2506

Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on July 20, 2009, 02:03:20 pm
Any similarity with Italian politicians is just random....  :angel:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2506



 ;D

Is Silvio B. already a Roman imperator, with similar rights and powers as the ancient ones?

Can you give us some hints for those not very familiar with Italian politicians of the second row and their exciting hobbies?

 :)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Jochen on July 20, 2009, 06:46:52 pm
Hi antvwala!

Where you got these 'coins'?

Best regards
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: ecoli on July 20, 2009, 07:05:20 pm
Any similarity with Italian politicians is just random....  :angel:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2506



photoshopped? :D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: antvwala on July 20, 2009, 10:06:30 pm
Yes, photoshopped and offered in ebay for only 1US$ (and 6.000 US$ for shipping!)  ;D

[BROKEN LINK REMOVED BY ADMIN]

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Mark Z on July 22, 2009, 05:36:08 pm
We might add that Bent is a Scandinavian (Danish, Swedish would be Bengt) male first name. There are certainly some coin collectors named Bent, but will they be aware that they could translate their name into Galba??

Rupert

Seen and heard on the "Benny Hill" show:

Actor: "He has a musical bent."

Benny: "A musical bent what?"
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on August 11, 2009, 07:03:55 pm
Lucius Varus

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=55519.msg344998;topicseen#msg344998

Maybe a descendant of a relative who survived the Teutoburg forest?

 ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: rick fox on August 11, 2009, 10:15:51 pm
I am reading the article about the Emperor Bent, and in the 2nd paragraph of the Section (towards the bottom) titled Course politico-history, it states he defeated the She-Cats, is this any relation to one of the Thundercats?  Perhaps Panthera?
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on September 06, 2009, 09:44:07 pm
Been seeing a lot of references to the emperor "Hardian" lately.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: byzcoll on September 10, 2009, 11:54:34 am
This is Nustinianus, usurper in Nikomedia, who conquered the obverse die of this genuine follis from my collection. I hope the die-sinker escaped alive.

byzcoll
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on September 10, 2009, 01:01:37 pm
Maybe:

D I Nustinianus ... = Don Incognitus Nustinianus ... or similar?

 ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on April 07, 2010, 01:49:17 am
An ebay seller from Dubai presently (Apr 6, 2010) has no fewer than five separate solidi of the Byzantine emperor Phucas listed in his auctions. This is not a typo as he has them all listed with that spelling!

 :o
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Arminius on April 10, 2010, 05:54:34 am
Vlens - the eponym of the famous beer brand from northern Germany:

(http://www.arminius-numismatics.com/coppermine1414/cpg1414/albums/userpics/10001/4735.jpg)

Obv.: D N VLEN - S P F AVG

367-375 AD., Valens, Rome mint, Æ- 3(18-19 mm / 2,27 g), RIC 23b ix(b) var.

 ;)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Britannicus on April 10, 2010, 10:52:42 am
An internet auction site that we've all heard of is currently offering a coin of DOMINICIANUS, presumably a Roman emperor with Christian (or Caribbean) interests...
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Britannicus on April 13, 2010, 10:18:40 am
... and this week on a (different) thread of this discussion board, THEODIUS I finally steps from the shadows!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: helvetica on April 29, 2010, 11:38:06 am
A certain auction site is currently offering a coin struck by the emperor who was the first to build a flying machine and after whom our modern form of transport is named: AERELIAN
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: renegade3220 on April 29, 2010, 01:26:07 pm
... and this week on a (different) thread of this discussion board, THEODIUS I finally steps from the shadows!

That was me!  An embarrassing typo while posting using my wife's iPhone! 

His reign was short, but it sure was a good one!   ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: helvetica on May 04, 2010, 09:59:50 am
I was clearing up some of those extremely long and annoying texts (a lot of old ebay listings) on wildwinds last night and came across another emperor I hadn't heard of. The listing named him CONSNOTIUS  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: mwilson603 on May 17, 2010, 05:53:06 pm
I had to add this one from a current listing on that famous auction site.  Made me smile anyway.
"A NICE COIN OF EMPEROR CONSTANTINOPOLIS 330-346 AD.FACEING LEFT WITH SCEPTER."
Mark
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on October 17, 2010, 04:43:19 pm
Reviving this old thread with two nice ones I found today on German Fleabay:

RÖMISCHE MÜNZE TROJANUS 98 - 117 GROßBRONZE

and a guest from the days of civil wars in Rome:

RRRR!!! CASSIUS UND LENTULUS SPRINTER 43-42 V.CHR. GOLD

Too good not to put them in here :)

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: WilliamBoyd on October 30, 2010, 07:57:09 pm
I do remember an Ebay seller who took "Papal payments".

:)
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Rupert on October 30, 2010, 09:18:31 pm
Who wouldn't? Vatican Euro coins with the Pope on them are mighty expensive. :laugh:

Rupert
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on October 31, 2010, 05:32:43 pm
I'd take a papal payment any day if it came with a plenary indulgence.
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on August 04, 2011, 06:11:49 pm
My new favorite: the emperor MAGRIPPAL.

This from the August 2011 listing on ebay of a modern cast fake of a portrait as of Marcus Agrippa (who, of course, was never emperor). A misreading of the legend M AGRIPPA L [F] COS III!

 :P
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on August 20, 2011, 12:32:09 pm
All from the same seller and most misidentified as well as misspelled:

GILLA PLACIDIA
PRISCUS ALUS
AELA FLACCILLA
VERAS (an AUREIUS made of bronze)
SALONIMA
ELAGABOLUS
SEPTENIUS SEVERAS

A veritable CROCUNOPIA of rare coins!  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on August 25, 2011, 04:37:25 pm
This one is for sale now: Rome Gardian III (238-244) Antoniniduus


Frans
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on August 25, 2011, 04:42:32 pm
Same dyslectic seller: Rome Constantias II (323-340) Silver Siligna


Frans
This guy is amazing: Rome Gallieuus (253-268) Antoninianus
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on August 25, 2011, 04:52:40 pm
New one: SESTERTSIYA; BRONZE; ANTONIANIUS PIUS


Frans
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Ginolerhino on August 31, 2011, 02:03:26 pm
My favorite is definitely "Lentulus Sprinter".  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on September 04, 2011, 07:11:27 am
nice one: AURELINA 270-275


Frans
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Belisarius on September 05, 2011, 04:17:38 pm
Perspex, emperor for 100 days!   :o
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on September 05, 2011, 05:09:59 pm
He must have been harder than steel, but easy to see through!

Frans
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: commodus on October 07, 2011, 01:30:01 am
Came across this one today: Julia Donna. Not just a typo in the listing title, but repeated several times in the description!
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: mwilson603 on June 12, 2012, 08:03:46 pm
I had to bring this topic back to life after seeing this image on the UK TV series TimeTeam today.  Obviously a repeat episode, however I couldn't believe that on a program dedicated to the discovery of history, and the subsequent educational aspects of that discovery that the team purports to give, they would get something so simple so wrong :).  Magentius instead of Magnentius.
I took this photo off of the TV screen with my phone, so maybe not the best of images, but clear enough I think.
And seeing as Eric was the last one to post before this one, it also gives us a chance to remember him again.
regards
Mark
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on June 19, 2012, 03:31:04 am
'Antonius Pius' is a common enough mistake, but one of his 'VOTA SVSCEPTA' coins advertised as 'VOTA SVSPECTA'  made me frown......


Frans
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: areich on June 19, 2012, 04:41:55 am
VOTA SVSPECTA would be a very timeless reverse legend.  ;D
Title: Re: Roman emperors you've never heard of?
Post by: Diederik on June 19, 2012, 07:30:48 am
Quote
VOTA SVSPECTA would be a very timeless reverse legend
Indeed; applicable to most politicians and currently to the Greek!


Frans