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Numismatic and History Discussion Forums => Medieval, Islamic and Crusader Coins Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Joe Sermarini on June 03, 2019, 02:46:22 pm

Title: ID Help 3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins 15.3 - 15.8mm Bust / Hand and Cross
Post by: Joe Sermarini on June 03, 2019, 02:46:22 pm

(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/89020q00.jpg)
3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins, c. 0.720g, c. 15.5mm Bust / Hand and Cross
The consignors tag says only medieval.  I don't recognize the type.  Thanks for any help with ID.

Title: Re: ID Help 3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins 15.3 - 15.8mm Bust / Hand and Cross
Post by: cmcdon0923 on June 03, 2019, 02:57:11 pm

Similar to this?

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/david_connors/41/product/austria_ar14_silver_pfennig_cross_with_hand_making_symbol/532379/Default.aspx

Title: Re: ID Help 3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins 15.3 - 15.8mm Bust / Hand and Cross
Post by: shanxi on June 03, 2019, 03:09:03 pm

Probably like this (Metz):

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1017240
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1227437

Title: Re: ID Help 3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins 15.3 - 15.8mm Bust / Hand and Cross
Post by: Edessa on June 03, 2019, 06:18:26 pm

Looks correct.  Second and third are definitely Bertram. This is how I have cataloged one of my examples:

France, Provincial. Lorraine, Diocese of Metz. Bertram, Bishop, AD 1179-1212. AR Denier (15mm, 0.72g, 10h). Metz mint. Obv: BERTR-ANN; Praying Bishop, half-length, standing left in profile. Rev: ME-TE-NS-IS; Cross with blessing hand. Ref: Roberts 8858; Boud 1625.

Roberts lists coins with apparently the same reverse for Conrad of Scharfeneck (8859) and John of Apremont (8860).  Can't really tell if the portrait side of the first coin reads Bertrann, Conradvs or Iohannes.

Eugene

Title: Re: ID Help 3 Similar Medieval Silver Coins 15.3 - 15.8mm Bust / Hand and Cross
Post by: Joe Sermarini on June 03, 2019, 06:28:09 pm

Thanks for the help Craig, Ralf and Eugene.  The coins are here now - https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=1868