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Title: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: quadrans on December 06, 2018, 02:28:36 am

This Hadrian bust, IMO are laureate, draped, cuirassed(?), but sometimes some resources, mention only draped ???
What is your suggestion ???


https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151566


032 Hadrianus (117-138 A.D.), RIC II 0116var., Rome, AR-Denarius, P M TR P COS III, Clementia standing left, #1
avers: IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HADRIANVS AVG, Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. (with visible thunderbolt on his cuirass leather strap).
reverse: P M TR P COS III, Clementia standing left, holding patera over altar, holding scepter.
exergue: -/-//CLEM, diameter: 18-19,5mm, weight: 3,24g, axes: 6h,
mint: Rome, date: 121 A.D., ref: RIC II 0116var.,

Regards

Joe/Q.

Title: Re: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: okidoki on December 06, 2018, 02:53:26 am

Dear Joe,

i use Beastly his idea's

http://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImperial/II/Hadrian/Hadrian.htm

in general Laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right, seen from front
but here there is also a thunderbolt on his strap

so for me its:

Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right. (with visible thunderbolt on his cuirass leather strap)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5696&pos=20

Title: Re: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: okidoki on December 06, 2018, 02:57:41 am

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=106194.0 topic about this bust

Title: Re: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: quadrans on December 06, 2018, 03:14:13 am

It is OK, Eric,

Thank you so much,  ;) +++

Your (example) coin are great  +++

 Regards
 

 Joe

p.s.

I changed the description.   ;) :)

Title: Re: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: curtislclay on December 06, 2018, 05:01:45 pm

Basically this bust is laureate, cuirassed r., seen from front, with fold of cloak on front shoulder.

Not "draped", which is a sloppy expression in English, also occurring in French and German (drapé/drapiert), for "wearing cloak (Latin paludamentum) around shoulders". Joe's bust type shows only a fold of the paludamentum on front shoulder, not paludamentum covering chest and back, which would make it "draped" in the conventional classification.

This coin might also have the thunderbolt on cuirass strap, which Eric pointed out as occurring on some Hadrianic sestertii, plus a winged frontal Medusa head (gorgoneion) on the breast of Hadrian's cuirass. In Eric's earlier thread I had only checked Hadrian's sestertii for that thunderbolt on cuirass strap, but the same motif seems also to occur on aurei and denarii, not so clear on Joe's denarius but confirmed by the denarius from CoinArchives reproduced below. The apparent gorgoneion, however, could also use confirmation from a clearer example.

Title: Re: Hadrian bust, laureate, draped, cuirassed(?),
Post by: quadrans on December 06, 2018, 05:25:15 pm

Thank you, Curtis,

Finally, may I summarized as :


032 Hadrianus (117-138 A.D.), RIC II 0116var., Rome, AR-Denarius, P M TR P COS III, Clementia standing left, #1
avers: IMP CAESAR TRAIAN HADRIANVS AVG, Laureate, cuirassed right, seen from front, with fold of cloak on front shoulder, with a visible thunderbolt on his cuirass leather strap and a winged frontal Medusa head (gorgoneion) on the breast of Hadrian's cuirass.
reverse: P M TR P COS III, Clementia standing left, holding patera over altar, holding scepter.
exergue: -/-//CLEM, diameter: 18-19,5mm, weight: 3,24g, axes: 6h,
mint: Rome, date: 121 A.D., ref: RIC II 0116var.,

p.s.
as you mentioned the: "winged frontal Medusa head (gorgoneion) on the breast of Hadrian's cuirass" visible, but need the confirmation from a clearer example.

Joe