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Title: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 09, 2018, 09:26:30 am
Rose and I are going to Europe for the last two weeks of September. We land in Madrid because the flight was extremely cheap.  Our last trip was all over Spain and I promised Rose I would take her to Italy.  I am looking for suggestions.  Of course we will see Venice, Florence, Rome, and Pompey. Any other must see suggestions? I am thinking about driving. Any thoughts or experience with driving from Spain to Italy, or within Italy? If I drive, any suggested stops between Madrid and Milan?


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: maridvnvm on July 09, 2018, 09:30:07 am
Have a great trip.
I found Herculaneum more personal than Pompeii and certainly worth a visit.
Martin


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: shanxi on July 09, 2018, 09:42:00 am
If you are driving from Spain to Italy, you are coming through  several interesting places in France, e.g. Avignon with the "Pont du Gard" and the medieval palace of the pope, Nimes with the roman temple, Orange with the roman theater and many more.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Roma_Orbis on July 09, 2018, 09:53:21 am
Madrid - Avignon - Orange - Nîmes - Pont du Gard - Milano - Venice - Florence Rome - Naples/Pompei, all that in 2 weeks ? Thousands of km, that's wild  :afro:
Just Rome would need 1 week.

Jérôme


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: orfew on July 09, 2018, 09:53:39 am
If you are going to Florence anyway there are plenty of wonderful little towns within driving distance. Montalcino, for example, is a great place to sample a nice Brunello (assuming you drink red wine). The major producers have estates in the area. While in Florence I assume you are going to hit the major stops like The David. Please do not miss Il Duomo. It is a true masterpiece of architecture and engineering by the genius Brunelleschi.

When in Rome my wife and I stayed about a 4 minute walk from the train station. It was a great choice. There were about 6-7 charming Trattoria in the area that served wonderful food. It was also walking distance to the baths of Diocletian. A few minutes more and you can see the palace where Mussolini lived and close by are the remains of Roman apartment buildings.

If you are going to see the major sites in Rome do not buy tour tickets ahead of time. In my experience if you get in the ticket line tour operators will come to you and offer cheap tours. They are legitimate tours with trained guides. For example, we went to the colosseum. The guided tour tickets online were about 50-70 Euro each. We stood in line at the Colosseum and a tour operator came up to us before we bought our tickets. We got the same tour as advertised online for 20 Euro each.

I hope this helps.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 09, 2018, 10:45:43 am
Good start, thanks.  Recommended hotels and restaurants too, please.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 09, 2018, 11:02:21 am
Madrid - Avignon - Orange - Nîmes - Pont du Gard - Milano - Venice - Florence Rome - Naples/Pompei, all that in 2 weeks ? Thousands of km, that's wild  :afro:
Just Rome would need 1 week.

Jérôme

It isn't that unusual for an American to tour Europe like this. It is expensive to cross the Atlantic and for many it is a once in a lifetime trip. The first time I took my wife to Paris, the morning after we arrived, I woke her at 7 AM.  She said, "Can't I sleep some more, it was a long flight."  I said, "Get up, we have three days to see as much of Paris as we can."  Later she thanked me for forcing her out of bed, Paris is worthy of losing a little sleep. Rome probably needs a month - maybe someday.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Roma_Orbis on July 09, 2018, 11:41:38 am
Seen the long disance, for a better time and cost efficiency, I would rather skip the Madrid-Milan travel and take an Easyjet flight from Madrid to Milan, and focus just on Italy. 2 Easyjet tickets will be cheaper than car+gas+highways fares.

J.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: okidoki on July 09, 2018, 12:12:37 pm
Have fun Joe,

End of September not so very hot any more  +++


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: maridvnvm on July 09, 2018, 12:17:29 pm
I spent a week based in Sorrento just exploring the bay of Naples and didn't make it as far as Naples!


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 09, 2018, 01:08:53 pm
Seen the long disance, for a better time and cost efficiency, I would rather skip the Madrid-Milan travel and take an Easyjet flight from Madrid to Milan, and focus just on Italy. 2 Easyjet tickets will be cheaper than car+gas+highways fares.

J.

Probably right.  I'll look into that flight.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Jochen on July 09, 2018, 01:54:29 pm
Ferdinand Gregorovius (1821-1891), one of the most famous Rome experts, author of "History of the City of Rome
 in the Middle Ages", in 8 volumes, when he was asked once, he would probably know all about Rome, answered "Oh, not at all, I'm living only just 19 years in Rome!"

Jochen  


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Robert L3 on July 09, 2018, 06:09:28 pm
Quote
Recommended hotels and restaurants too, please.

I recommend Casa Botin in Madrid, the oldest continuously operating restaurant in the world, renowned for their suckling pig.  Reservations, ideally made well in advance, needed.

I suggest reading Ross King's Brunelleschi's Dome prior to the Florence visit, and then be sure to climb to the top of the dome while there.  Another recommended read prior to Florence is April Blood by Lauro Martines.  An overnight in Assisi is very nice, especially if you don't get your fill of Giotto frescoes in Florence.  (And, for Giotto's masterpiece, a visit to the Arena Chapel in Padua is memorable)

Must-see's in Milan include Leonardo's "The Last Supper," a tour of the Sforza castle, and going up to the roof of the Duomo.



Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: PMah on July 09, 2018, 06:20:01 pm
Safe travels.  Unless you are already very comfortable driving in Italy, I recommend the train.  On your route and timetable, you'd be on main highways that are neither Interstates  nor particularly pretty. The drivers are very aggressive and I say that living and driving in Manhattan. So the drive won't be relaxing.   In most of the historic center of Rome, you can't park anyway, and Rome is best seen walking or by reasonaby priced taxi.
  Herculaneum with a guide is, I say, better than Pompeii .  All the Pompeii material in the Naples museum, so in many ways you see the same building s in Herculaneum,  just only once. And much better preseved .  So the Naples museum is the pivot for understanding both sites.
   A nice basic hotel in Rome is the Hotel Tirreno near Santa Maria Maggiore and thr train station.   Simple place to base excursions,  not for la dolce vita.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: lawrence c on July 09, 2018, 10:14:55 pm
Joe,
This is based on my living in Vicenza (about 60 km inland from Venice) for three years. Both Vicenza and Verona, which is nearby and which has a nice Roman coliseum that is still used for opera and ballet performances, are interesting, but not must-sees unless there is spare time. The big issue with Venice is the plague of cruise ships that can make the city's main attractions virtually a torture chamber. If you have some flexibility on the dates you will be in Venice, the website http://crew-center.com/venice-cruise-ship-schedule-2018 can give you an idea of when the worst days are for cruise ship passengers swarming the city, and you can try to work around those dates. If you don't have that degree of flexibility, the best approach is to at least try to travel one street over -- as long as it's not a canal; walking on those is frowned upon --from the main approaches to the major attractions. A lot of times, a main drag (such as they are in Venice) will be thronged, with a parallel approach almost empty. There's always a danger in getting lost, but there can be a lot of charm in the back ways in Venice.

Hope you have a great trip.

Best,
Larry


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 10, 2018, 11:52:03 am
Thanks.  Please keep the recommendations coming. 

I have driven in Italy before. I found it OK outside of the cities, a nightmare in them.

I have been lost in Venice before, and it was wonderful. 


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: OldMoney on July 10, 2018, 02:12:17 pm
G'day Joe,

I have driven Italy a few times, and it seems that you have had reports
about most everything I was going to suggest. You could easily spend a
lot more than two weeks just in the area of Rome and the Amalfi coast,
plus a few places either side.

Because we had our own vehicle, we stayed a little further from the centre
of town (wherever we were) and saved a lot on hotels and restaurants.
They also tend to be less touristy, and you can get more of a 'local' feel
for things, and experience a broader range of things.

A few times we just went for a drive, followed our noses, and worked out
where we were going when we got there! We ended up at Tivoli by using
that method of blind navigation. Plan-free, care-free fun!

Capri is worth the ferry ride from Sorrento, but make sure you have your
walking shoes on to get to the top. As a big, fat fellow I struggled a bit. I
made it, but I struggled. Once up there it was great.

Do BOTH Herculaneum and Pompeii. I actually stayed near the site at the
Hotel Ercolano, a quaint little place that was cheap when I last visited.
Paestum/Poseidonia is not too far away from Naples, and there are other
places around Naples as well, like Baiae, Oplontis, Pozzuoli, etc.

In Rome, Monte Testaccio is fascinating, the Circus Maximus, all the big,
well known places will be on the maps, but I just went walking and came
across a lot of small 'sites', most of which are not on the tourist maps.

eg: There is a movie theatre not far from the Pantheon that has its own
underground mini-museum from when it was excavated during renovations
and rebuilt. A few small, easily-missed signs are pretty much all that guides
you to this worthwhile attraction. There are scores of places just like it, and
the more you talk to people, the more you will add to your list. Two weeks
will not be enough! Have a great trip.

- Walter


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: PeterD on July 11, 2018, 07:28:48 am
There is one restaurant that I can recommend, although it outside of Rome. It is the Antico Ristorante Paganelli at Castel Gandolfo. It is near the back entrance to the Papal palace and has spectacular views over Lake Albano. The food is very good and you can choose your wine directly from their wine cellar. My daughter and her husband had their wedding reception there and we have been back a couple of times since. It is about a forty-five minute drive from Rome if I remember correctly. Castel Gandolfo and the Alban hills are worth exploring. You can also stay overnight at the restaurant if you wish.

One thing worth seeing in Rome that has not been mentioned is Ostia Antica, the ancient port of Rome. It can be reached from Rome by a short train trip, or by car of course.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 11, 2018, 08:17:28 am
Great thanks.  More suggestions?


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Steve P on July 11, 2018, 06:46:41 pm
Wow, I'm totally jealous ... Joe, it sounds like you're going to have a wonderful trip no matter whose advice you take, eh? (good times)

Ummm, perhaps when I finally go see Portugal with my sweet Portuguese wife you can ask your coin-crew for some travel advice? (it must be nice to be the King, eh?)

 ;)

=> have a great trip, coin-brother (you rock)


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 11, 2018, 08:27:25 pm
Thanks. All are welcome to ask for travel advice here. You are welcome to ask about Portugal.  I want to go there too.  I would go there this time but I promised Rose Italy. She hasn't been to Italy yet.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: PMah on July 11, 2018, 09:38:47 pm
Joe, after reading the very informed suggestions above and reflecting on my own 25 years of marriage, I think, "Time to ask Rose what she wants to do in Italy!" :)


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 12, 2018, 05:23:14 am
When I am watching a travel show, I will often point at the TV and say, "Rose, look, that's Venice" or "that's Rome," etc.  She is impressed enough to knows she wants to go, but she doesn't have specifics to suggest.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Jay GT4 on July 12, 2018, 06:15:41 am
If you're going to the bay of Naples I would suggest going to Positano and staying here 

www.pensionecasaguadagno.it/default.aspx

Run by a wonderful family and includes breakfast.  The views are amazing.  It books up fast but end of September should be okay.  Park your car and take day trips to Naples, Pompeii, Herculaneum and the other small towns along the coast by bus.  It's quite easy to do. 

Eat at www.saracenodoro.com/sd/index.htm while in Positano and make sure to get a table on the road (literally).

In Rome we stay near the Vatican and walk everywhere or near the Appian way and bus it in. Much easier to get around walking and you don't have to find parking.  Walking is great because you discover things that are not on the map.  Ruins are everywhere.

http://www.hotelortodiroma.com  The owner is a coin and artifacts collector.  The hotel is right on a park that is part of the Appian way.

In Rome our favorite place to eat is near Piazza Navona.  Family run, local and reasonable.

Fatto In Casa
Via Del Vecchio Governo 125
ROMA
006-868-693

Driving is fantastic in Italy on the highway.  Nobody drives in the left lane except to pass.  City driving is another world and anything goes.

Have a great time!


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: *Alex on July 12, 2018, 06:53:30 am
I notice that no-one has mentioned Pisa. I drove to Italy from France via Switzerland and Pisa is worth a look. I never climbed the leaning tower but Pisa Cathedral (of which the tower is the bell tower) is a beautiful building and well worth visiting.

Alex


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Jochen on July 12, 2018, 12:52:44 pm
It's called not for no reason "Piazza dei Miracoli (Squares of Miracles).

Jochen


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: otlichnik on July 14, 2018, 07:38:51 am
In Italy I have always stayed in flats I found through booking.com. I never had any problems - though one has to read the reviews carefully.

The only exceptions have been when I travelled for business when hotels were taken care of.  On one such trip I stayed at the Hotel Quirinale on Via Nazionale in Rome.  It was excellent and centrally located (10 minutes from the main train station) though would be a nightmare with a car - would want to leave it in the burbs and commuter train in.

Not many food recommendations as things are generally great.  If you are near the forum you need to try Flor Gelato at the (near) end of Via Cavour.  Best gelato I have ever had - ever!

SC




Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: orfew on July 14, 2018, 08:00:44 am
When in Rome do not neglect Trastavere (literally across the Tiber). My wife and I booked a food tour and stopped at 10 food establishments to sample their wares. It was absolutely wonderful. We walked many back streets and got to see how the majority of people lived their lives.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 14, 2018, 09:21:43 am
So many great ideas.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Stkp on July 16, 2018, 11:53:49 am
That is a very long drive, Joe! I have not driven in Spain or Italy, but have driven in southern France, which you will be crossing. You will have to be disciplined about when/where to stop if you plan to arrive in Italy on time. When in Italy, I found Lucca to be charming. It has an intact medieval wall circling the old city that is so wide that it has become a park: large trees, lawn, bicycle path. We rented bikes and circled the city a few times before gliding down the ramps onto the city streets. Enjoy! Stkp


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 16, 2018, 04:29:45 pm
Distance-wise, it is shorter than many one-day trips I have made in the US.  I don't know how the roads will compare to the US. In any case, I will probably fly to Milan.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Jay GT4 on July 16, 2018, 05:13:06 pm
I will second Trastevere.  Our pizza place there:

Osteria Pizzaria Margherita
Vicolo Del Cinque 31a
Roma Trastevere

The whole area is open late with lots of people enjoying evening strolls. 


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Brennos on July 17, 2018, 06:03:39 pm
I agree with some others : If i were you, i would flight directly from Madrid to Milan (Ryan Air is your friend) . Rent a car and drive down to Rome where you flight back to Madrid at the end with Ryan Air again.

I recommand to spend several days in south Tuscany wich is a paradise (Sienne , Monticchiello, Montepulciano, Montalcino among others are treasures)

i recommand you to stay in this real Agriturismo : http://www.lafonte.toscana.it/ and your wife and you would never want to come back in the US :)

In Rome i'm use to stay near The Vatican wich is a central and easy point. You should definitly visit the Vatican Museum of course (run as fast as you can in the chapel sixtine at the opening before the crowd) and do not forget the etrusque antiquities, by far the most fabulous collection of this civilisation in the world.



Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Xenophon on July 18, 2018, 01:06:07 am
While you are in Rome I would heartily recommend taking the local train to Ostia (it only took about 30 minutes from the centre). I found it to be more extensive than both Pompeii and Herculaneum and the quality of many of the buildings and mosaics is wonderful. Because it is less well-known the number of people there is far less as well, which helps you to appreciate it even more. I set aside a day to visit it on my last trip to Rome but ended up going back for a second day because the site is so large and there is so much to see.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Callimachus on July 18, 2018, 03:53:42 pm
Quote from Joe: "Of course we will see Venice, Florence, Rome, and Pompey. Any other must see suggestions? "

No one has mentioned Ravenna. The city is known for the late Roman mosaics in many of its ancient sites.

There are 8 UNESCO World Heritage sites in Ravenna:

The Mausoleum of Galla Placidia,
The Neonian Baptistery,
The Arian Baptistery,
The Basilica of Sant'Apollinare Nuovo -- 26 mosaic scenes from the New Testament, the oldest in the world,
The Chapel of Sant'Andrea --  the only chapel of the early Christian era that is still fully preserved,
The Mausoleum of Theodoric was built by (and for) Theodoric the Great,
The Basilica of San Vitale,
The Basilica of Sant' Apollinare.

Dante's tomb, although it is debatable whether or not his body is still in it.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 18, 2018, 05:10:51 pm
I have been thinking about Ravenna.  Strange but it does seem to be off the usual American tourist circuit.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: otlichnik on July 18, 2018, 06:21:03 pm
Completely slipped my mind earlier but if you are driving through Tuscany the village of San Gimignano is well worth it.  If you are not familiar, google it.  The town of the towers.  Can be tourist hell in summer but should be better in fall.

SC


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Simon on July 19, 2018, 07:19:49 pm
I am lucky enough to spend time in Europe for work but I was always interested in seeing more than the cruise ports. I was always interested in getting a Europass to visit everywhere by train. Perhaps that would be more fun than driving?

I took this from the web site Eurail Global passes.

2 Options for Eurail Global Passes:
 Flexi Pass is available for any 5 or 7 days within 1 month or
10 or 15 consecutive or non-consecutive travel days, to be used in a two month period.
Children under 12 years old travel free with adults
 Consecutive Days Pass, valid for 15 days, 22 days, 1 month, 2 months or 3 months, consecutive days, starting on the first trip date.

28 Countries in the Eurail Network are the following:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republlic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland, Turkey

My personal favorite has been Turkey but have not been there in the last 3 years.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on July 20, 2018, 07:03:33 am
I am going to look into a Eurorail pass, probably just for Italy. It is apparently cheaper when it is limited to one country.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Jay GT4 on July 20, 2018, 09:04:45 pm
Completely slipped my mind earlier but if you are driving through Tuscany the village of San Gimignano is well worth it.  If you are not familiar, google it.  The town of the towers.  Can be tourist hell in summer but should be better in fall.

SC


I will second that.  Great little town.

 But if you want to get off the beaten path head further south into Calabria.  Pizo, Reggio, isola di Capo Rizuto, Crotone, Troppea...


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: otlichnik on July 21, 2018, 07:15:15 am
Trains in Italy can be far more convenient than cars.

Also Eurorail and other passes are only the tip of the iceberg.  Great way for the major long hauls but, lots of local trains aren't covered.  In fact it can be quite a bit cheaper to take a four hour local vs. a two hour express.  Nothing will be full or booked up in September except for things like an overnight sleep car.  For most things you can just buy tickets at the station when you need them.

Buy some wonderful Italian eats before hand, bring a book for the rare times you don't want to watch the country side go by, (keep an eye on your luggage) and enjoy.

One of my regrets living in Austria was that we never got south of Rome on a visit due to time and distance.  So I am saving the south of Italy and Sicily and Sardinia for retirement.

SC


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: GAT on July 22, 2018, 10:21:40 am
Joe,

On a recent trip to Rome, my wife and I visited the Domus Aurea for the new 3D virtual reality tour. It was one of the highlights of our trip. The entrance is on a hill across from the Colosseum (on the side away from the center of the city). The entrance was a bit hard to find so allow 10-15 minutes to locate it.
https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/virtual-reality-tours-of-romes-domus-aurea.html

On a prior trip to Southern Italy we spent two nights in Matera. It is an amazing hill city with the building built into the rock (like a luxury version of the Flintstones). Matera is a good base for visiting many of the other charming villages in the region, such as Alberobellow and Ostuni. Metaponto is also within an hours drive and Taranto is not much further.
https://www.neverendingvoyage.com/sassi-matera-italy/
https://travelaway.me/most-beautiful-towns-puglia/

One caution is to be careful not to drive into any of the restricted central city zones (ZTLs). We were fortunate not to but almost did so one or two times. Once we knew what to look for they were relatively easy to avoid. The fines are steep and usually come as a nasty surprise from the rental car company months after the trip.

GAT






Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: William S7 on September 06, 2018, 04:08:05 pm
On your way to Naples, I'd recommend driving the Amalfi coast; stop for seafood pasta in Amalfi. There are some great restaurants with amazing views.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: JamesC11 on September 06, 2018, 05:34:35 pm
And I'd watch out for Yordan M, if I were you.  :police:


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on September 10, 2018, 06:23:09 am
Damn hurricane is likely to make the trip impossible - and everything is already paid for and mostly cannot be cancelled. Uhg.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Arados on September 10, 2018, 07:02:23 am
Damn hurricane is likely to make the trip impossible - and everything is already paid for and mostly cannot be cancelled. Uhg.

I do hope the weather subsides in time for your flight, is there any indication how long the hurricane will cause flight disruption ?


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on September 10, 2018, 08:43:35 am
The hurricane probably would only cause a day or two delay in the flight, but I can't leave my daughters here alone if the house is damaged or even just has no power.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Arados on September 10, 2018, 09:56:32 am
Quite right Joe, keep your family safe.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Steve P on September 15, 2018, 09:38:56 pm
Awwww, lousy luck => cheers ... I hope that you were able to scramble and recover a good trip

Cheers, Dude (you're a good coin-head)

stevex6


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on September 16, 2018, 02:42:28 pm
In Rome, the usual pre-planning was not done. I am scrambling now to figure it out.


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: Carausius on September 16, 2018, 04:51:29 pm
Wow!!  That's great news.  I thought the trip had been cancelled.  I can think of worse things than being "stuck" in Rome with no itinerary.  Enjoy!


Title: Re: Joe and Rose Going to Europe - Suggestions?
Post by: PMah on September 16, 2018, 09:38:17 pm
Yeah, my "worst" day in Rome ever probably still ranks in my top 1%!