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Title: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 31, 2017, 04:17:50 pm
I just added two medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery. Both are obulii (is that the correct plural of obulus?) struck by Béla IV (1235-1270). Neither is the most attractive example of the type, but neither is a common coin and I was happy to acquire them:

Huszár 302, Unger 226, Réthy I 238, Frynas H.18.14, Adamovszky A363
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142544

Huszár 309, Unger 232, Réthy I 245, Frynas H.18.20, Adamovszky A371
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142545

Happy New Year everybody
Stkp



Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 31, 2017, 07:46:07 pm
They are both very nice and quite scarce. +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 01, 2018, 04:18:41 am
Great acquisition both  :laugh: ;) :) +++

Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 01, 2018, 07:47:46 am
Thank you both. It is great that this site has attracted a "handful" of dedicated collectors of medieval Hungarian coinage. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 14, 2018, 08:45:24 pm
I just added two medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery:

A groshen issued by Matthias Corvinus for the city of Breslau as king of Bohemia. Huszár 733.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143156

A denar issued by Wladislau I from the city of Buda. Huszár 605. The coin is interesting because a good amount of silver wash remains.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143155

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 14, 2018, 11:23:22 pm
Hi Stkp,

Great groschen from Mátyás/ Breslau.   +++

Not easy to find a good well struck example from the Wladlslau I.

Both are great.   +++

Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2018, 09:34:52 am
Thank you


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 15, 2018, 09:53:37 am
Nice coins,especially the groschen. +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2018, 11:20:32 am
I was very happy to find the groschen. I didn't buy all that much this year at the NYINC but this was the most memorable of what I got there. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 15, 2018, 01:39:08 pm
Nice find as I mentioned.  ;) +++

Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 09:39:36 am
I just added an obulus of Béla IV (1235-1270) to my gallery.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143409
The only reference that pinpoints the issuance of the coin to specific years within Béla's reign is Gyöngyössy. I have questions/concerns about that chronology. Any thoughts?
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 28, 2018, 12:58:25 pm
Dear Steve,

 At first nice coin, congratulation,  +++

About the chronology:

It is interesting why Gyöngyössy gives that date, he is a good academic people, but the speculation this chronology is stimulating so many questions, which are not clear yet.

About Reference:

The book from Adamovszky is not the best reference book at all, neither academic. But a well-made picture book about Árpád's money, but no more, and including so many mistakes.

Better to use Réthy, Huszár, or Unger Pohl...including Gyöngyössy.

Best regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 04:15:01 pm
About the chronology:
It is interesting why Gyöngyössy gives that date, he is a good academic people, but the speculation this chronology is stimulating so many questions, which are not clear yet.

About Reference:
The book from Adamovszky is not the best reference book at all, neither academic. But a well-made picture book about Árpád's money, but no more, and including so many mistakes.
Better to use Réthy, Huszár, or Unger Pohl...including Gyöngyössy.

Thanks, Joe.

I've noticed that Gyöngyössy gives dates that differ from the other references frequently and often wonder about his sources for those dates. I do use Réthy, Huszár, Unger and Pohl -- as well as Frynas and Adamovszky. I was disappointed by Adamovszky. I knew nothing about him, but upon learning that a new catalog had been published, I made sure to get it. Frynas was also a disappointment. I also try to use Kovács, but translating of his text using Google Translate is very tedious and does not come out well, in any event.

I have updated the first album of my medieval Hungarian collection (http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2244) to include all references, and will again update when your book is published.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 28, 2018, 04:27:47 pm
Hi Steve,

It is a good news you have Kovacs book, he is more up to date the historical background nowadays, but unfortunately, it is Hungarian and sophisticated :).
Real Academic Work (He's Academic thesis !).

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 04:53:06 pm
I like Kovacs -- at least when I can understand it! Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 25, 2018, 07:31:51 pm
I just added a denar issued by St. László/Ladislaus I (1077-1095); Huszár 25, Unger 20, Réthy I 31, Frynas H.8.6, Adamovszky A36, Kovács pp.146-1470:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-144224
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: peterpil19 on February 25, 2018, 11:18:37 pm
Hi Stkp,

Nice coin. The brockage makes it all the more interesting too.

Peter


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 07:40:07 am
Great Coin Steve,  +++

... but not the brockage, if you look closer you can recognize the reverse characteristic...
This kind of coins at this time has a very simple and schematic reverse.

Regards

 Joe

p.s.

You can see in my "St. Ladislaus" coins in my Gallery :

 http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3916


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 08:49:26 am
Thank you Joe and Peter. My collection is “light” on the coins of the earliest Arpadian kings, and I was happy to acquire this one.

Joe, you understand these coins much better than I do. Even so, I don’t believe that I am mistaken about the reverse of my coin. I attach for ease of reference a photo of my coin (above) with the line diagram from Rethy (below). The reverse of the type is very simple; a central cross with wedges between its arms, surrounded by a line border, surrounded by the decaying legend (+LADISLAUS RE). However, note the following features of the reverse of my coin:
a.   The entire reverse design of my coin is incuse and not raised (this is often difficult to tell from a photo);
b.   The outline of the long cross from the obverse is visible on the reverse, more clearly on the 3 o’clock to 9 o’clock axis;
c.    There are small crosses between the cross arms (as on the obverse) rather than wedges;
d.   The letters are the mirror image of the obverse, and run counterclockwise (starting at 3 o’clock. Note the red arrow on both the obverse and the reverse pointing to the letter L in the first quadrant; the blue arrow pointing to the letter I in the second quadrant, and the green arrow pointing to the letter S in the third quadrant (the S is retrograde on the obverse but not on the reverse).
If I am mistaken, please let me know. If so, I stand corrected, and defer to your expertise. I have come across many other coins issued by the earliest Arpadian kings (especially by St. Laszlo) that appear to be brockages. I do not understand why this is so, but this tendency disappears by the time of Kalman (which have reverses that are similarly simple). I would love to have a better understanding of that which I see.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 09:09:39 am
Joe,

Looking through your gallery, I see at least the following two St. Laszlo’s on which portions of the obverse appear to be impressed into the reverse, without obliterating the entire reverse design:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-115849
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-105423

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 01:14:28 pm
Dear Steve,

My English is not the best one..., but I try to explain.  

What is the basic concept the "incuse" and/or the "brockage" coins, ...

In my opinion, if we try to strike the coin and unfortunately one coin remain not removed from ..., and the second coin tile lying over the first coin and strike again ..., the result will be the brockage and/or incuse coin.

In our cases, St. Ladislaus coin is different because the reverse negative picture coming from the "suction effect" of the striking because the coin plate is very thin and that caused the negative shape on the reverse side.
The reverse simple characteristic form is there, but very simple and schematic.

It always happens if we used a very thin plate...

like this :

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-131059

or this :

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-107118

etc..

Regards

Joe

p.s.:
The brockage coins never has real revers only obvers/avers negative picture on the reverse side..

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 02:11:03 pm
Joe,

Your English is more than sufficient to convey the concept (and much better than my virtually non-existent Hungarian). Given that the phenomenon that I described as a “brockage” (I’ll call it a “brockage-like-effect” for want of a better term) is very common on certain emissions but does not exist on others, it makes logical sense that the effect must be caused by a regular minting process, and not by random minting errors.

My coin is indeed very thin, as are the other types on which the brockage-like-effect can be regularly observed (this is true both for the earliest coins of the Arpadian kings on which I was focusing and on the late 12th century coins to which you point).

If I understand you correctly, the phenomenon is caused when the metal from the flan is forced by the strike into the obverse die. Since the flan is so very thin, the contour of the obverse design appears in mirror image on the reverse. This is not because the reverse was struck by the obverse of a coin that remained in the die (as would be the case with a true brockage), but because the metal of the too-thin flan “follows” the contours of the obverse die – a “suction” effect, as you called it. I wonder whether there is a numismatic term to describe this process?

Thank you for the explanation. I am a student of the coinage. Given the dearth of medieval Hungarian collectors in the United States and the dearth of dealers who regularly handle or take an interest in this coinage here, I am essentially self-taught, and learn in a vacuum based on my own observations. This discussion board is a valuable tool. You have clarified an esoteric question that I have wondered about for a long time. I greatly appreciate your explanation.

Steve


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 02:26:22 pm
Hi Steve,

I'm glad I could help,
Friendship.

Joe  :) ;)


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on June 25, 2018, 02:59:16 pm
I recently added four medieval Hungarian coins, issued by Sigismund of Luxembourg () to my gallery. Three are ducats, the other is a parvus:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147403
If I am reading the mintmark correctly, it is not recorded in any of the catalogs

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147402

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147401

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147400

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 01, 2018, 07:49:04 am
Hi Steve,
Nice group :)

I recognized a bit late because of the last two week's I was on the way...

Regards
 Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 01, 2018, 03:37:25 pm
Thanks, Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 16, 2018, 11:38:22 am
I recently added five medieval Hungarian coins issued by Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437) to my gallery.  The first is a silver parvus. These were struck between 1387-1427:

Huszár 580, Pohl 119-84, Unger 451_, Réthy II 125A, Frynas H.27.8
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147928

The other four are billon quartings, struck between 1430-1437, which are typically crude and unappealing little coins. These four are par for the course:

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-9, Unger 456v, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Székesfehérvár
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148058

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-44, Unger 456h, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, under a collective authority
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148057

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Apparently an unrecorded privy mark
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148056

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Also apparently an unrecorded privy mark
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148055

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 16, 2018, 12:16:38 pm
Oh yes, nice series... +++

Congratulation Steve,  +++

I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... ::)

Joe



Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 16, 2018, 12:25:57 pm
I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... ::)

I bought the four of them at the same time a few months back. I generally try to stay reasonably current posting my new acquisitions, although I sometimes fall behind. If you posted all of yours it would be a fantastic resource.

I am not aware of any literature (at least in English) which discusses the reason for the proliferation of privy marks under Sigismund/Zsigmond, so many of which are apparently still unrecorded (at least they did not make it into the catalogs). Any thoughts/explanations?

Stkp 


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 16, 2018, 12:47:41 pm
Hmm, Sigismund has so many coins with so many privy mark variation, which is not published jet or published mistakenly...(like Pohl).
Pohl mentioned several variations, but not all controlled by others...
Normally Pohl book is very good, except Sigismund and Ulaszló I. This two emperor used a great number of the privy mark, but the most of the small coins quality is very bad and not really recognizable which kind of signs or letters try to use...???
We need to make a revision of this.

The good news, our book series after the Árpadian coins we will continue to first the Angevin dynasty ( Karl-Robert, Luis I., and Maria) coins, later the Sigismund coins, and so on...

Yes but this takes time... ::)

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on July 16, 2018, 07:06:45 pm
Thank you for the information on the Maria Denar variationand I have 8 more of the Huszar 102 sigla varieties on the way. It is really amazing how much detail the could get on the parvus and quarting coins. I thought I would reply on this thread so it doesn't change the order of the listing.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 13, 2018, 07:54:56 am
I was very pleased to recently add a denar of Mária/Maria (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg), of the type cataloged as Huszár 566, Pohl 112, Unger 442, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5. Apart from being an unusually well-struck specimen, the pellet beneath the M on the reverse is a mintmark that is not recorded in any of the catalogs or other literature that I have seen. If anyone is aware of any published literature recording this mintmark, I would appreciate the reference.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150003
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 13, 2018, 10:59:55 am
Great coin Steve,

I was prepared in 2004 a 1-hour presentation, (in the Open University) from the Maria denars and obulus, that time I have examined more than 1200 coins, I will try to find my slides, how many legend variations were found at that time.
Anyway after when we finished the IInd and IIIrd volume of the Arpadian coinage book, the next Volume the Angevin's will be included Maria's coin. :)
This mintmark was mentioned in my work and some more 9-10 new mintmark also.
We write the article from the new type obulus of Maria a few years ago, but sorry it is Hungarian...:(

Best regards and

Congratulation   +++

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 13, 2018, 11:28:37 am
Joe, I look forward to each volume of your book. It was and still is my intent to re-examine my entire collection with reference to your book and upgrade my attributions. Time permitting -- I've only begun Kalman/Coloman.

I'd love to see your slides on Maria's coinage, as well as your article. My lack of language proficiency is definitely a handicap (I should have paid closer attention when my mother, grandmother and aunt chattered away in Hungarian when I was a kid). But I learn what I can, in relative isolation from the world of Hungarian numismatics, on my side of the ocean. We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 13, 2018, 11:42:23 am
Thank you, Steve,

I agree with you, this :

"We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!"

Thank you Joe Sermarini,

 +++ +++ +++

Regards

 Joe as "Q"


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 27, 2018, 03:40:52 pm
I have added two denarii minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg) to my gallery:

Huszár 569, Pohl 114-2, Unger 443b, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4, struck in Székesfehérvár/Alba Regia in 1386-1395.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150473

and

Huszár 566, Pohl 112-1, Unger 442a, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5, Toma plate I/8, probably struck in Buda.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150341

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 28, 2018, 01:01:46 am
Congratulation, Steve,  +++
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites ;)...

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 28, 2018, 08:12:37 am
Thanks, Joe. Maria issued few types but each type has its complexities. My next set of acquisitions will be a bunch os Zsigmonds. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on October 28, 2018, 09:57:15 am
Nice coins! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 28, 2018, 09:15:34 pm
Thanks Edward


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 29, 2018, 01:27:47 am
Congratulation, Steve,  +++
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites ;)...

Joe

Hi, Steve,

Now I have a new addition from my old coin of Mária, Rare variation :), in my Medieval Galery (Various Ruler):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150538

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 29, 2018, 08:29:38 pm
Magnificent! I've never seen one of those, Joe. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 06, 2018, 05:50:05 am
I just added a denar issued by Lajos/Louis I (1342-1382) to my gallery. The coin, cataloged as Huszár 532, Pohl 67, Unger 420, Réthy II 73, Frynas H.25.21, is not one of the more common types from this reign:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150721
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 06, 2018, 11:25:22 am
Nice addition Steve,  +++

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 06, 2018, 06:46:03 pm
More nice coins! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 07, 2018, 09:19:32 am
Thank you both


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 25, 2018, 08:38:33 am
I recently posted six denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg as King of Hungary (1387-1437). All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-__, Unger 449__, Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.4.

One of them is interesting in that it has a star on the reverse above the shield (perhaps indicating a Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint) but also with a symbol to the left of the shield. As such, it bears mintmarks not recorded by Pohl and Unger. I would appreciate any information concerning whether it is recorded elsewhere and what is known about it:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151319

Two have the letter C (standard and retrograde) above the shield, indicating a Kassa/Kaschau/now Košice, Slovakia, mint:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151314
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151315

The other three have the letters O, S and T above the shield, indicating Offenbánya/now Baia de Arieş, Romania; Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia; and probably Temesvár/now Timișoara, Romania; mints, respectively:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151317
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151318
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151316

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 25, 2018, 11:21:53 am
Nice coin, Steve, and also nice descriptions,  +++

One day, I hope, I will have enough time to prepare some photo from mine Sigismund coins :)  ;) ;D +++

Congratulation, great collection,  :o :angel:

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 25, 2018, 12:22:37 pm
Nice coins! I have one with a five pointed star mint mark,but it does not have the letter to the left of the shield. I noticed in the numista catalog that one with an X/D mint mark is listed as Unger 449.epsilon. It lloks like a D to the left of the shield and I am wondering if that could be an X over it. +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 25, 2018, 02:13:35 pm
Dear Edward,

The Unger sometimes not clear, what he described, X/D, mintmark could be, the X on the avers somewhere around the Patriarchal Cross, and the D on the reverse over the shield...,  ::) ??? +++

Regards

Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 25, 2018, 03:56:39 pm
OK. So the X would be on the obverse. That is good to know. Thank you.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 26, 2018, 07:54:18 am
Edward, the coin that you have, with the star above the shield and no mark to the left, indicates that the coin was struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, and is cataloged as Pohl 117-45. My tentative conclusion that my coin with the unrecorded mintmark was probably struck at Nagybánya is based on the similarity between the star on my coin and the star mark identified in Pohl.

Thanks for the suggestion regarding the X/D mintmarks identified in Unger. I agree with Joe that Unger is referring to an entirely different set of marks. Apart from the placement of the marks, I imagine that the X identified in Unger does not correspond to a small five-pointed star.

If the mark to the left of the shield on my coin is a D, then it is a retrograde D (compare that mark to the D in SIG-ISmVnDI on the obverse of the coin). It may also be an E (compare that mark to the three occurrences of the letter E in REGIS VnGARIE ETC on the reverse of the coin). As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E. Any thoughts?

I am hopeful that, when Joe's excellent series of books on Hungarian coinage reaches the issues of Charles Robert and subsequent reigns bearing mintmarks, the mintmarks that are not included in Huszar, Pohl and Unger are included and cataloged.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 26, 2018, 07:57:37 am
As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E.

Correction. It should read: "As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter D." Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 16, 2018, 07:49:35 pm
I added four denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg (King of Hungary 1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437), as king of Hungary, to my gallery this weekend. All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-..., Unger 449..., Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.40:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151814  Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia, mint
and
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151815  Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, mint
and
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151816 
Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint
and
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151817 
Pécs mint.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 16, 2018, 10:51:31 pm
Great!

Congratulation, Steve,  +++

Nice coins, my favorite the "Szomolnok" mint  :dot:S :dot:

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 17, 2018, 07:31:53 am
Joe,

The coin from the Szomolnok mint is the least well struck of the four, but is also my favorite. Last month I posted another of this type minted there, with the mark above the shield rather than between the cross-arms. I like this one better than that one. Although I am not aware of a rarity guide for these coins by mintmark, my impression is that the mark between the cross-arms is the less common.

The coinage of Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg were never amongst my favorites, but I am enjoying the numerous mintmarks presented by these coins.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 18, 2018, 12:39:08 pm
They are all very nice! +++ 


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 18, 2018, 02:59:45 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 22, 2018, 09:23:08 am
I recently added to my gallery a very attractive denar minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg), without a mint mark. Huszár 569, Pohl 114-1, Unger 443a, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151889
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 23, 2018, 09:42:55 am
Looks very nice and great detail! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 23, 2018, 09:54:14 am
Yes, I agree, absolutely nice addition...

Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 23, 2018, 11:38:47 pm
Thank you both. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: *Alex on December 24, 2018, 08:14:43 am
Great and interesting galleries, Stkp. I have enjoyed looking at them - you have many wonderful coins the majority of which I had never seen before.

Alex


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 24, 2018, 03:53:12 pm
Thank you, Alex. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 31, 2018, 05:14:14 pm
I just added to my gallery a medieval Hungarian denar minted by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi ("Corvinus") (1458-1490) in 1489 in Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, by Peter Schaider, oberkammergraf. The coin is type Huszár 722, Pohl 223, Unger 567, Réthy II 232, Frynas 34.40, and falls within Subtype A of my classification of these coins in an old Celator article:
 
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152148

This coin is particularly interesting to me because the mintmark (O/P/rosette) is rare and unrecorded (a similar mark, P/rosette without the O, is recorded as Pohl 223-1, Unger 567b&e). I have not been able to add a new Madonna denar issued by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi to my collection in several years. It is a fitting last coin of the year for me, and I made it the subject of a new New Year's thread. I am adding it here, too, as I post all my medieval Hungarian acquisitions here.

Happy New Year to all!

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 01, 2019, 03:17:13 am
Interesting, the circle over the P are not usual !!

Regards

Joe



Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 01, 2019, 01:22:44 pm
Nice one! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 01, 2019, 02:14:00 pm
Thank you Joe and Edward. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 02, 2019, 08:30:52 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 05, 2019, 12:39:10 pm
I really like this one! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 05, 2019, 01:20:03 pm
Thanks, Edward. That dragon does have eye appeal. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 05, 2019, 01:20:42 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp


Great Dragon,  ;) +++

I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++


Regards

Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 05, 2019, 01:48:08 pm
Great Dragon,  ;) +++
I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++

I look forward to seeing it! Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 06:48:10 am
I recently added a number of medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery. The first of them, and the only significant acquisition, is a denar issued by Venzel/Wenceslaus Premyslid (1301-1305), a failed contender for the throne, who issued only a handful of types, none of which are common:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152593

The information on the dealer's flip indicates that, three dealers ago, the coin was lot 972 in Alex J. Malloy's March [?] 1984 catalog, from the St. George Tucker Collection. Henry St. George Tucker (1853-1932) was quite prominent (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=T000399), and I aspire to access the Malloy auction catalog in the hope that it indicates whether Henry was the collector, or whether the collector was just a namesake (perhaps his son or grandson), or other relative. I will be making another post asking for assistance locating and accessing this catalog.

The remaining seven new coins are all parvii (I think that is the correct plural for parvus) issued by Sigismund/Zsigmund of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437). These are small, generally poorly-struck coins, and the designs on them leave a lot to be desired. They differ only in respect to the mintmarks. The first few bear recorded mintmarks:

1. An monogram to the left of the S over the shield, indicating that the moneyer was Ulrich Kamerer (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152676
2. A star to the right of the S over the shield, indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152677
3. A letter n in the upper cross arms on the reverse, also indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152738
4. A letter I in the upper cross arms on the reverse, the meaning of which is not known:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152737

If I am interpreting one of the coins correctly, it also bears a recorded mintmark. I am not 100% positive that the mark on the coin is a match with those depicted in Pohl (and Unger). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated:
5. The letter m to the left of the S over the shield and what appears to be a stylized numeral 4 to the right of the S, indicating that the moneyer was Markus (possibly Armbauer) of Nürnberg and that the coin was minted in 1404-1405 (per Pohl):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152678

The final two coins bear mint marks that are not recorded by Pohl (and Unger). If there are any published articles discussing these marks, I would love to know about them:
6. A symbol, which appears to be the Greek letter π, in the lower cross arms on the reverse:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152739
7. A pellet in the upper cross arms on the reverse (although, given the symmetrical design of the reverse and the pellet, it could also be described as in the lower cross arms):
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152736

Thanks for looking. All of these, as well as a few additional medieval Hungarian coins, some miscellaneous other medieval coins, and a few ancient Greek coins, were all acquired at the New York International Numismatic Convention earlier this month.

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 20, 2019, 07:10:24 am
Great group,  +++

Congratulation  +++

Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 07:24:50 am
Thank you, Joe. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 20, 2019, 03:41:10 pm
Very nice additions! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 04:46:59 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: *Alex on January 21, 2019, 08:36:10 am
Great coins Stkp - it seems that you and quadrans have cornered the Hungarian medieval coin market.  ;D

Alex


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 22, 2019, 10:13:54 am
Thanks, Alex. I've done my very very small share to make a dent in the Hungarian coin market. Between the coins posted by Quadrans and those that I have posted, I hope that FORVM has become a resource for the occasional collector who runs across a coin that is outside of his/her area of experience. I'm hoping that other dedicated collectors of this coinage find FORVM and upload their collections as well. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 27, 2019, 01:55:34 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp


Great Dragon,  ;) +++

I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++


Regards

Joe

Yes, finally I find one of my dragons, Steve,

You can find here:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152938

Joe/Q.


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 27, 2019, 07:14:12 pm
Yes, finally I find one of my dragons, Steve,
You can find here:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152938
Joe/Q.

Its a beauty. Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 09, 2019, 07:01:57 am
I recently added two denarii of Maria (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg) to my gallery. Both are Huszár 569, Pohl 114, Unger 443, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4:

Pohl 114-1, Unger 443a. This coin is interesting because of the unusual cross-hatching beneath the crown and also because the cross does not comport with any of the cross styles recorded by Toma. Unfortunatly, the reverse is double struck so that the legend cannot be discerned, which detracts from the coin:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153068

Pohl 114-3, Unger 443c. Struck in Székesfehérvár/Alba Regia in 1386-1395:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153101

Stkp


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 09, 2019, 10:02:44 am
Nice addition both,

Slowly, I posting some of mine...   :D ;)

Regards

 Joe


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on February 10, 2019, 11:19:39 am
Very nice Maria denars! +++


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 10, 2019, 06:17:20 pm
Thank you, Edward