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Title: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 31, 2017, 06:17:50 pm
I just added two medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery. Both are obulii (is that the correct plural of obulus?) struck by Béla IV (1235-1270). Neither is the most attractive example of the type, but neither is a common coin and I was happy to acquire them:

Huszár 302, Unger 226, Réthy I 238, Frynas H.18.14, Adamovszky A363
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142544

Huszár 309, Unger 232, Réthy I 245, Frynas H.18.20, Adamovszky A371
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-142545

Happy New Year everybody
Stkp

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 31, 2017, 09:46:07 pm
They are both very nice and quite scarce. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 01, 2018, 06:18:41 am
Great acquisition both  :laugh: ;) :) +++

Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 01, 2018, 09:47:46 am
Thank you both. It is great that this site has attracted a "handful" of dedicated collectors of medieval Hungarian coinage. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 14, 2018, 10:45:24 pm
I just added two medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery:

A groshen issued by Matthias Corvinus for the city of Breslau as king of Bohemia. Huszár 733.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143156

A denar issued by Wladislau I from the city of Buda. Huszár 605. The coin is interesting because a good amount of silver wash remains.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143155

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 15, 2018, 01:23:22 am
Hi Stkp,

Great groschen from Mátyás/ Breslau.   +++

Not easy to find a good well struck example from the Wladlslau I.

Both are great.   +++

Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2018, 11:34:52 am
Thank you
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 15, 2018, 11:53:37 am
Nice coins,especially the groschen. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2018, 01:20:32 pm
I was very happy to find the groschen. I didn't buy all that much this year at the NYINC but this was the most memorable of what I got there. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 15, 2018, 03:39:08 pm
Nice find as I mentioned.  ;) +++

Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 11:39:36 am
I just added an obulus of Béla IV (1235-1270) to my gallery.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-143409
The only reference that pinpoints the issuance of the coin to specific years within Béla's reign is Gyöngyössy. I have questions/concerns about that chronology. Any thoughts?
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 28, 2018, 02:58:25 pm
Dear Steve,

 At first nice coin, congratulation,  +++

About the chronology:

It is interesting why Gyöngyössy gives that date, he is a good academic people, but the speculation this chronology is stimulating so many questions, which are not clear yet.

About Reference:

The book from Adamovszky is not the best reference book at all, neither academic. But a well-made picture book about Árpád's money, but no more, and including so many mistakes.

Better to use Réthy, Huszár, or Unger Pohl...including Gyöngyössy.

Best regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 06:15:01 pm
About the chronology:
It is interesting why Gyöngyössy gives that date, he is a good academic people, but the speculation this chronology is stimulating so many questions, which are not clear yet.

About Reference:
The book from Adamovszky is not the best reference book at all, neither academic. But a well-made picture book about Árpád's money, but no more, and including so many mistakes.
Better to use Réthy, Huszár, or Unger Pohl...including Gyöngyössy.

Thanks, Joe.

I've noticed that Gyöngyössy gives dates that differ from the other references frequently and often wonder about his sources for those dates. I do use Réthy, Huszár, Unger and Pohl -- as well as Frynas and Adamovszky. I was disappointed by Adamovszky. I knew nothing about him, but upon learning that a new catalog had been published, I made sure to get it. Frynas was also a disappointment. I also try to use Kovács, but translating of his text using Google Translate is very tedious and does not come out well, in any event.

I have updated the first album of my medieval Hungarian collection (https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2244) to include all references, and will again update when your book is published.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 28, 2018, 06:27:47 pm
Hi Steve,

It is a good news you have Kovacs book, he is more up to date the historical background nowadays, but unfortunately, it is Hungarian and sophisticated :).
Real Academic Work (He's Academic thesis !).

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 28, 2018, 06:53:06 pm
I like Kovacs -- at least when I can understand it! Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 25, 2018, 09:31:51 pm
I just added a denar issued by St. László/Ladislaus I (1077-1095); Huszár 25, Unger 20, Réthy I 31, Frynas H.8.6, Adamovszky A36, Kovács pp.146-1470:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-144224
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: peterpil19 on February 26, 2018, 01:18:37 am
Hi Stkp,

Nice coin. The brockage makes it all the more interesting too.

Peter
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 09:40:07 am
Great Coin Steve,  +++

... but not the brockage, if you look closer you can recognize the reverse characteristic...
This kind of coins at this time has a very simple and schematic reverse.

Regards

 Joe

p.s.

You can see in my "St. Ladislaus" coins in my Gallery :

 https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3916
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 10:49:26 am
Thank you Joe and Peter. My collection is “light” on the coins of the earliest Arpadian kings, and I was happy to acquire this one.

Joe, you understand these coins much better than I do. Even so, I don’t believe that I am mistaken about the reverse of my coin. I attach for ease of reference a photo of my coin (above) with the line diagram from Rethy (below). The reverse of the type is very simple; a central cross with wedges between its arms, surrounded by a line border, surrounded by the decaying legend (+LADISLAUS RE). However, note the following features of the reverse of my coin:
a.   The entire reverse design of my coin is incuse and not raised (this is often difficult to tell from a photo);
b.   The outline of the long cross from the obverse is visible on the reverse, more clearly on the 3 o’clock to 9 o’clock axis;
c.    There are small crosses between the cross arms (as on the obverse) rather than wedges;
d.   The letters are the mirror image of the obverse, and run counterclockwise (starting at 3 o’clock. Note the red arrow on both the obverse and the reverse pointing to the letter L in the first quadrant; the blue arrow pointing to the letter I in the second quadrant, and the green arrow pointing to the letter S in the third quadrant (the S is retrograde on the obverse but not on the reverse).
If I am mistaken, please let me know. If so, I stand corrected, and defer to your expertise. I have come across many other coins issued by the earliest Arpadian kings (especially by St. Laszlo) that appear to be brockages. I do not understand why this is so, but this tendency disappears by the time of Kalman (which have reverses that are similarly simple). I would love to have a better understanding of that which I see.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 11:09:39 am
Joe,

Looking through your gallery, I see at least the following two St. Laszlo’s on which portions of the obverse appear to be impressed into the reverse, without obliterating the entire reverse design:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-115849
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-105423

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 03:14:28 pm
Dear Steve,

My English is not the best one..., but I try to explain.  

What is the basic concept the "incuse" and/or the "brockage" coins, ...

In my opinion, if we try to strike the coin and unfortunately one coin remain not removed from ..., and the second coin tile lying over the first coin and strike again ..., the result will be the brockage and/or incuse coin.

In our cases, St. Ladislaus coin is different because the reverse negative picture coming from the "suction effect" of the striking because the coin plate is very thin and that caused the negative shape on the reverse side.
The reverse simple characteristic form is there, but very simple and schematic.

It always happens if we used a very thin plate...

like this :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-131059

or this :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-107118

etc..

Regards

Joe

p.s.:
The brockage coins never has real revers only obvers/avers negative picture on the reverse side..

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 26, 2018, 04:11:03 pm
Joe,

Your English is more than sufficient to convey the concept (and much better than my virtually non-existent Hungarian). Given that the phenomenon that I described as a “brockage” (I’ll call it a “brockage-like-effect” for want of a better term) is very common on certain emissions but does not exist on others, it makes logical sense that the effect must be caused by a regular minting process, and not by random minting errors.

My coin is indeed very thin, as are the other types on which the brockage-like-effect can be regularly observed (this is true both for the earliest coins of the Arpadian kings on which I was focusing and on the late 12th century coins to which you point).

If I understand you correctly, the phenomenon is caused when the metal from the flan is forced by the strike into the obverse die. Since the flan is so very thin, the contour of the obverse design appears in mirror image on the reverse. This is not because the reverse was struck by the obverse of a coin that remained in the die (as would be the case with a true brockage), but because the metal of the too-thin flan “follows” the contours of the obverse die – a “suction” effect, as you called it. I wonder whether there is a numismatic term to describe this process?

Thank you for the explanation. I am a student of the coinage. Given the dearth of medieval Hungarian collectors in the United States and the dearth of dealers who regularly handle or take an interest in this coinage here, I am essentially self-taught, and learn in a vacuum based on my own observations. This discussion board is a valuable tool. You have clarified an esoteric question that I have wondered about for a long time. I greatly appreciate your explanation.

Steve
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 26, 2018, 04:26:22 pm
Hi Steve,

I'm glad I could help,
Friendship.

Joe  :) ;)
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on June 25, 2018, 04:59:16 pm
I recently added four medieval Hungarian coins, issued by Sigismund of Luxembourg () to my gallery. Three are ducats, the other is a parvus:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147403
If I am reading the mintmark correctly, it is not recorded in any of the catalogs

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147402

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147401

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147400

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 01, 2018, 09:49:04 am
Hi Steve,
Nice group :)

I recognized a bit late because of the last two week's I was on the way...

Regards
 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 01, 2018, 05:37:25 pm
Thanks, Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 16, 2018, 01:38:22 pm
I recently added five medieval Hungarian coins issued by Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437) to my gallery.  The first is a silver parvus. These were struck between 1387-1427:

Huszár 580, Pohl 119-84, Unger 451_, Réthy II 125A, Frynas H.27.8
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-147928

The other four are billon quartings, struck between 1430-1437, which are typically crude and unappealing little coins. These four are par for the course:

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-9, Unger 456v, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Székesfehérvár
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148058

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-44, Unger 456h, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, under a collective authority
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148057

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Apparently an unrecorded privy mark
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148056

Huszár 586, Pohl 124-_, Unger 456_, Réthy II 129, Frynas H.27.14
Also apparently an unrecorded privy mark
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-148055

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 16, 2018, 02:16:38 pm
Oh yes, nice series... +++

Congratulation Steve,  +++

I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... ::)

Joe

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on July 16, 2018, 02:25:57 pm
I always plan to go there once to take these photos from my own collection and present them in my gallery ... ::)

I bought the four of them at the same time a few months back. I generally try to stay reasonably current posting my new acquisitions, although I sometimes fall behind. If you posted all of yours it would be a fantastic resource.

I am not aware of any literature (at least in English) which discusses the reason for the proliferation of privy marks under Sigismund/Zsigmond, so many of which are apparently still unrecorded (at least they did not make it into the catalogs). Any thoughts/explanations?

Stkp 
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on July 16, 2018, 02:47:41 pm
Hmm, Sigismund has so many coins with so many privy mark variation, which is not published jet or published mistakenly...(like Pohl).
Pohl mentioned several variations, but not all controlled by others...
Normally Pohl book is very good, except Sigismund and Ulaszló I. This two emperor used a great number of the privy mark, but the most of the small coins quality is very bad and not really recognizable which kind of signs or letters try to use...???
We need to make a revision of this.

The good news, our book series after the Árpadian coins we will continue to first the Angevin dynasty ( Karl-Robert, Luis I., and Maria) coins, later the Sigismund coins, and so on...

Yes but this takes time... ::)

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on July 16, 2018, 09:06:45 pm
Thank you for the information on the Maria Denar variationand I have 8 more of the Huszar 102 sigla varieties on the way. It is really amazing how much detail the could get on the parvus and quarting coins. I thought I would reply on this thread so it doesn't change the order of the listing.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 13, 2018, 09:54:56 am
I was very pleased to recently add a denar of Mária/Maria (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg), of the type cataloged as Huszár 566, Pohl 112, Unger 442, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5. Apart from being an unusually well-struck specimen, the pellet beneath the M on the reverse is a mintmark that is not recorded in any of the catalogs or other literature that I have seen. If anyone is aware of any published literature recording this mintmark, I would appreciate the reference.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150003
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 13, 2018, 12:59:55 pm
Great coin Steve,

I was prepared in 2004 a 1-hour presentation, (in the Open University) from the Maria denars and obulus, that time I have examined more than 1200 coins, I will try to find my slides, how many legend variations were found at that time.
Anyway after when we finished the IInd and IIIrd volume of the Arpadian coinage book, the next Volume the Angevin's will be included Maria's coin. :)
This mintmark was mentioned in my work and some more 9-10 new mintmark also.
We write the article from the new type obulus of Maria a few years ago, but sorry it is Hungarian...:(

Best regards and

Congratulation   +++

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 13, 2018, 01:28:37 pm
Joe, I look forward to each volume of your book. It was and still is my intent to re-examine my entire collection with reference to your book and upgrade my attributions. Time permitting -- I've only begun Kalman/Coloman.

I'd love to see your slides on Maria's coinage, as well as your article. My lack of language proficiency is definitely a handicap (I should have paid closer attention when my mother, grandmother and aunt chattered away in Hungarian when I was a kid). But I learn what I can, in relative isolation from the world of Hungarian numismatics, on my side of the ocean. We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 13, 2018, 01:42:23 pm
Thank you, Steve,

I agree with you, this :

"We should all be grateful to Joe Sermarini for hosting these forums and galleries, which allow us to meet and communicate with other collectors and enrich our enjoyment of our hobby. I certainly am. Thank you, Joe!"

Thank you Joe Sermarini,

 +++ +++ +++

Regards

 Joe as "Q"
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 27, 2018, 05:40:52 pm
I have added two denarii minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg) to my gallery:

Huszár 569, Pohl 114-2, Unger 443b, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4, struck in Székesfehérvár/Alba Regia in 1386-1395.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150473

and

Huszár 566, Pohl 112-1, Unger 442a, Réthy II 114, Frynas 26.5, Toma plate I/8, probably struck in Buda.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150341

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 28, 2018, 03:01:46 am
Congratulation, Steve,  +++
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites ;)...

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 28, 2018, 10:12:37 am
Thanks, Joe. Maria issued few types but each type has its complexities. My next set of acquisitions will be a bunch os Zsigmonds. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on October 28, 2018, 11:57:15 am
Nice coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 28, 2018, 11:15:34 pm
Thanks Edward
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on October 29, 2018, 03:27:47 am
Congratulation, Steve,  +++
As I told you, Maria coins one of my favourites ;)...

Joe

Hi, Steve,

Now I have a new addition from my old coin of Mária, Rare variation :), in my Medieval Galery (Various Ruler):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150538

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on October 29, 2018, 10:29:38 pm
Magnificent! I've never seen one of those, Joe. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 06, 2018, 07:50:05 am
I just added a denar issued by Lajos/Louis I (1342-1382) to my gallery. The coin, cataloged as Huszár 532, Pohl 67, Unger 420, Réthy II 73, Frynas H.25.21, is not one of the more common types from this reign:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150721
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 06, 2018, 01:25:22 pm
Nice addition Steve,  +++

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 06, 2018, 08:46:03 pm
More nice coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 07, 2018, 11:19:32 am
Thank you both
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 25, 2018, 10:38:33 am
I recently posted six denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg as King of Hungary (1387-1437). All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-__, Unger 449__, Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.4.

One of them is interesting in that it has a star on the reverse above the shield (perhaps indicating a Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint) but also with a symbol to the left of the shield. As such, it bears mintmarks not recorded by Pohl and Unger. I would appreciate any information concerning whether it is recorded elsewhere and what is known about it:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151319

Two have the letter C (standard and retrograde) above the shield, indicating a Kassa/Kaschau/now Košice, Slovakia, mint:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151314
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151315

The other three have the letters O, S and T above the shield, indicating Offenbánya/now Baia de Arieş, Romania; Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia; and probably Temesvár/now Timișoara, Romania; mints, respectively:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151317
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151318
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151316

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 25, 2018, 01:21:53 pm
Nice coin, Steve, and also nice descriptions,  +++

One day, I hope, I will have enough time to prepare some photo from mine Sigismund coins :)  ;) ;D +++

Congratulation, great collection,  :o :angel:

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 25, 2018, 02:22:37 pm
Nice coins! I have one with a five pointed star mint mark,but it does not have the letter to the left of the shield. I noticed in the numista catalog that one with an X/D mint mark is listed as Unger 449.epsilon. It lloks like a D to the left of the shield and I am wondering if that could be an X over it. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 25, 2018, 04:13:35 pm
Dear Edward,

The Unger sometimes not clear, what he described, X/D, mintmark could be, the X on the avers somewhere around the Patriarchal Cross, and the D on the reverse over the shield...,  ::) ??? +++

Regards

Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 25, 2018, 05:56:39 pm
OK. So the X would be on the obverse. That is good to know. Thank you.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 26, 2018, 09:54:18 am
Edward, the coin that you have, with the star above the shield and no mark to the left, indicates that the coin was struck in Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, and is cataloged as Pohl 117-45. My tentative conclusion that my coin with the unrecorded mintmark was probably struck at Nagybánya is based on the similarity between the star on my coin and the star mark identified in Pohl.

Thanks for the suggestion regarding the X/D mintmarks identified in Unger. I agree with Joe that Unger is referring to an entirely different set of marks. Apart from the placement of the marks, I imagine that the X identified in Unger does not correspond to a small five-pointed star.

If the mark to the left of the shield on my coin is a D, then it is a retrograde D (compare that mark to the D in SIG-ISmVnDI on the obverse of the coin). It may also be an E (compare that mark to the three occurrences of the letter E in REGIS VnGARIE ETC on the reverse of the coin). As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E. Any thoughts?

I am hopeful that, when Joe's excellent series of books on Hungarian coinage reaches the issues of Charles Robert and subsequent reigns bearing mintmarks, the mintmarks that are not included in Huszar, Pohl and Unger are included and cataloged.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 26, 2018, 09:57:37 am
As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter E.

Correction. It should read: "As the curved portion of the mark (to the left) is pointed, the mark corresponds more closely with the style of the letter E that appears on this and other coins of this type than it does to the letter D." Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 16, 2018, 09:49:35 pm
I added four denarii issued by Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg (King of Hungary 1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437), as king of Hungary, to my gallery this weekend. All are Huszár 576, Pohl 117-..., Unger 449..., Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.40:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151814  Szomolnok/Schmöllnitz/now Smolnik, Slovakia, mint
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151815  Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, mint
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151816 
Nagybánya/now Baia Mare, Romania, mint
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151817 
Pécs mint.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 17, 2018, 12:51:31 am
Great!

Congratulation, Steve,  +++

Nice coins, my favorite the "Szomolnok" mint  :dot:S :dot:

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 17, 2018, 09:31:53 am
Joe,

The coin from the Szomolnok mint is the least well struck of the four, but is also my favorite. Last month I posted another of this type minted there, with the mark above the shield rather than between the cross-arms. I like this one better than that one. Although I am not aware of a rarity guide for these coins by mintmark, my impression is that the mark between the cross-arms is the less common.

The coinage of Zsigmond/Sigismund of Luxembourg were never amongst my favorites, but I am enjoying the numerous mintmarks presented by these coins.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 18, 2018, 02:39:08 pm
They are all very nice! +++ 
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 18, 2018, 04:59:45 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 22, 2018, 11:23:08 am
I recently added to my gallery a very attractive denar minted under Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg), without a mint mark. Huszár 569, Pohl 114-1, Unger 443a, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-151889
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 23, 2018, 11:42:55 am
Looks very nice and great detail! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 23, 2018, 11:54:14 am
Yes, I agree, absolutely nice addition...

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 24, 2018, 01:38:47 am
Thank you both. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: *Alex on December 24, 2018, 10:14:43 am
Great and interesting galleries, Stkp. I have enjoyed looking at them - you have many wonderful coins the majority of which I had never seen before.

Alex
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 24, 2018, 05:53:12 pm
Thank you, Alex. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 31, 2018, 07:14:14 pm
I just added to my gallery a medieval Hungarian denar minted by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi ("Corvinus") (1458-1490) in 1489 in Körmöcbánya/Kremnitz, now Kremnica, Slovakia, by Peter Schaider, oberkammergraf. The coin is type Huszár 722, Pohl 223, Unger 567, Réthy II 232, Frynas 34.40, and falls within Subtype A of my classification of these coins in an old Celator article:
 
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152148

This coin is particularly interesting to me because the mintmark (O/P/rosette) is rare and unrecorded (a similar mark, P/rosette without the O, is recorded as Pohl 223-1, Unger 567b&e). I have not been able to add a new Madonna denar issued by Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi to my collection in several years. It is a fitting last coin of the year for me, and I made it the subject of a new New Year's thread. I am adding it here, too, as I post all my medieval Hungarian acquisitions here.

Happy New Year to all!

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 01, 2019, 05:17:13 am
Interesting, the circle over the P are not usual !!

Regards

Joe

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 01, 2019, 03:22:44 pm
Nice one! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 01, 2019, 04:14:00 pm
Thank you Joe and Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 02, 2019, 10:30:52 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 05, 2019, 02:39:10 pm
I really like this one! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 05, 2019, 03:20:03 pm
Thanks, Edward. That dragon does have eye appeal. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 05, 2019, 03:20:42 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp


Great Dragon,  ;) +++

I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++


Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 05, 2019, 03:48:08 pm
Great Dragon,  ;) +++
I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++

I look forward to seeing it! Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 08:48:10 am
I recently added a number of medieval Hungarian coins to my gallery. The first of them, and the only significant acquisition, is a denar issued by Venzel/Wenceslaus Premyslid (1301-1305), a failed contender for the throne, who issued only a handful of types, none of which are common:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152593

The information on the dealer's flip indicates that, three dealers ago, the coin was lot 972 in Alex J. Malloy's March [?] 1984 catalog, from the St. George Tucker Collection. Henry St. George Tucker (1853-1932) was quite prominent (http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=T000399), and I aspire to access the Malloy auction catalog in the hope that it indicates whether Henry was the collector, or whether the collector was just a namesake (perhaps his son or grandson), or other relative. I will be making another post asking for assistance locating and accessing this catalog.

The remaining seven new coins are all parvii (I think that is the correct plural for parvus) issued by Sigismund/Zsigmund of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437). These are small, generally poorly-struck coins, and the designs on them leave a lot to be desired. They differ only in respect to the mintmarks. The first few bear recorded mintmarks:

1. An monogram to the left of the S over the shield, indicating that the moneyer was Ulrich Kamerer (per Pohl):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152676
2. A star to the right of the S over the shield, indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152677
3. A letter n in the upper cross arms on the reverse, also indicating that the coin was minted at Nagybánya, now Baia Mare, Romania (per Pohl):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152738
4. A letter I in the upper cross arms on the reverse, the meaning of which is not known:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152737

If I am interpreting one of the coins correctly, it also bears a recorded mintmark. I am not 100% positive that the mark on the coin is a match with those depicted in Pohl (and Unger). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated:
5. The letter m to the left of the S over the shield and what appears to be a stylized numeral 4 to the right of the S, indicating that the moneyer was Markus (possibly Armbauer) of Nürnberg and that the coin was minted in 1404-1405 (per Pohl):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152678

The final two coins bear mint marks that are not recorded by Pohl (and Unger). If there are any published articles discussing these marks, I would love to know about them:
6. A symbol, which appears to be the Greek letter π, in the lower cross arms on the reverse:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152739
7. A pellet in the upper cross arms on the reverse (although, given the symmetrical design of the reverse and the pellet, it could also be described as in the lower cross arms):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152736

Thanks for looking. All of these, as well as a few additional medieval Hungarian coins, some miscellaneous other medieval coins, and a few ancient Greek coins, were all acquired at the New York International Numismatic Convention earlier this month.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 20, 2019, 09:10:24 am
Great group,  +++

Congratulation  +++

Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 09:24:50 am
Thank you, Joe. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 20, 2019, 05:41:10 pm
Very nice additions! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 20, 2019, 06:46:59 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: *Alex on January 21, 2019, 10:36:10 am
Great coins Stkp - it seems that you and quadrans have cornered the Hungarian medieval coin market.  ;D

Alex
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 22, 2019, 12:13:54 pm
Thanks, Alex. I've done my very very small share to make a dent in the Hungarian coin market. Between the coins posted by Quadrans and those that I have posted, I hope that FORVM has become a resource for the occasional collector who runs across a coin that is outside of his/her area of experience. I'm hoping that other dedicated collectors of this coinage find FORVM and upload their collections as well. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 27, 2019, 03:55:34 pm
I recently added to my gallery a denar issued by Charles Robert/Károly Róbert (1307-1342) with a really nice dragon on the reverse: Huszár 488, Pohl 45, Unger 385, Réthy II 44, Frynas 24.39: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152157
Stkp


Great Dragon,  ;) +++

I need to try to find where is mine... ;) :) +++


Regards

Joe

Yes, finally I find one of my dragons, Steve,

You can find here:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152938

Joe/Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 27, 2019, 09:14:12 pm
Yes, finally I find one of my dragons, Steve,
You can find here:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-152938
Joe/Q.

Its a beauty. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 09, 2019, 09:01:57 am
I recently added two denarii of Maria (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg) to my gallery. Both are Huszár 569, Pohl 114, Unger 443, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4:

Pohl 114-1, Unger 443a. This coin is interesting because of the unusual cross-hatching beneath the crown and also because the cross does not comport with any of the cross styles recorded by Toma. Unfortunatly, the reverse is double struck so that the legend cannot be discerned, which detracts from the coin:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153068

Pohl 114-3, Unger 443c. Struck in Székesfehérvár/Alba Regia in 1386-1395:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-153101

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 09, 2019, 12:02:44 pm
Nice addition both,

Slowly, I posting some of mine...   :D ;)

Regards

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on February 10, 2019, 01:19:39 pm
Very nice Maria denars! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 10, 2019, 08:17:20 pm
Thank you, Edward
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 12, 2019, 08:15:56 pm
It has been nine months since I added any medieval Hungarian coins to my collection. I recently added four:

Károly Róbert/Charles Robert (1307-1342), AR denar. Huszár 479, Pohl 36-2, Unger 378a, Réthy II 8, Frynas H.24.31
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-158458

Károly Róbert/Charles Robert (1307-1342), AR denar. Huszár 497, Pohl 54-2, Unger 394m, Réthy II 15, Frynas H.24.47. I have quite a few of these and collect them by mint-mark.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-158444

Lajos/Louis I (1342-1382), AR obulus.  Huszár 546, Pohl 88-1, Unger 437a, Réthy II 88, Frynas H.25.43
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-158459

Matthias/Mátyás Hunyadi ("Corvinus") (1458-1490), AR denar. Huszár 708, Pohl 208-5, Unger 557e, Réthy II 219, Frynas 34.29
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-158506

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 13, 2019, 11:28:05 am
Very nice coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 13, 2019, 04:48:39 pm
Great additions, Steve,  +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 13, 2019, 07:44:09 pm
Thank you both. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 11, 2020, 04:31:24 pm
I recently added the following to my gallery:

Sigismund/Zsigmund of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437). AR denar. Huszár 575, Pohl 116, Unger 448, Réthy II 120, Frynas H.27.3. Struck in 1387-1389 in Buda (now Budapest) by Onofrio Bardi.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-159559

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 12, 2020, 05:52:36 pm
Nice, find, this is the so-called "short patriarchal cross" type, rarest than the long cross, type...  +++

You know, I have also two-piece in my gallery, but different legend variation.

Congratulation  +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 12, 2020, 07:41:08 pm
Neither of my two pieces is an ideal specimen, but we take what we can get. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on January 15, 2020, 12:30:37 pm
Excellent coin! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2020, 10:49:17 pm
Thanks. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on March 14, 2020, 09:09:58 am
I rarely have the pleasure of rummaging through a large number of unattributed medieval Hungarian coins. I recently had the opportunity to sort through several hundred parvii issued by Sigismund/Zsigmund of Luxembourg (King of Hungary 1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437) between 1387 and 1427 (per Huszár, Pohl, Unger, Frynas and Gyöngyössy, although it terminated in 1410 per Engel) and acquired seven with privy marks that I did not yet have. They are all Huszár 580, Pohl 119, Unger 451, Réthy II 125A, Frynas H.27.8:

Pohl 119-12, Unger 451s, with an m to right above shield
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161257

Pohl 119-14, Unger 451u, with an o to right above shield, struck at Offenbánya/Baia de Arieș, Romania (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161256

Pohl 119-15, Unger 451v, with a P to right above shield, struck at Pécs/Baia de Arieș, Romania (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161099

Pohl 119-49, Unger 451ξ with a K-K above shield, struck at Körmöcbánya/Kremnica, Slovakia (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161100

Pohl 119-55, Unger 451ω, with an m-6 above shield, struck by Markus von Nuremberg in 1404-1405 (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161102

Pohl 119-62, Unger 451ff, with a P-W above shield, struck at Pécs/Baia de Arieș, Romania (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161103

Pohl 119-76, Unger 451ππ, with a K between upper cross-arms, struck at Körmöcbánya/Kremnica, Slovakia (per Pohl)
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161104

The type was issued with over 150 privy marks. After the phase-out of the sigla generations earlier, none of the medieval Hungarian emissions bore close to the number of privy or control marks found on the coins of Sigismund/Zsigmund. I have encountered no literature addressing the reason for this explosion of marks and hope that it is addressed by Josef Kiss in a forthcoming book in his wonderful series.

In addition to these, I plucked two "gems" from the lot, also parvii issued by Sigismund/Zsigmund but considerably less common:

Huszár 581, Pohl 120, Unger 453, Réthy II 125B, Frynas H.27.9, struck in 1404-1405 (per Pohl, Huszár, Unger & Frynas) in Buda by Markus von Nürnberg, oberkammergraf (per Pohl). This type is identical to the standard parvus except that it bears an m rather than a crown between one of the cross-arms.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161252

Huszár 582, Pohl 121-1, Unger 452, Réthy II 126, Frynas H.27.10, struck in 1402 (per Huszár, Unger & Frynas) or 1402-1403 (per Pohl) in Buda (per Pohl). This type is also identical to the standard parvus except that it bears a Bohemian lion instead of a Brandenburg eagle in the shield.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-161254

While the standard type is given rarity ratings of Huszár/Pohl 4; Unger 5; Frynas C, these types are rated as Huszár/Pohl 5; Unger 15; Frynas N; and Huszár/Pohl 5; Unger 15+; Frynas N, respectively. I already had two of the Huszár 581 type and one of the Huszár 582 type in my gallery, but nevertheless grabbed these as well. I am always gratified to recognize and find hidden "gems" in a large lot.

Stkp/Steve
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on March 14, 2020, 09:31:48 am
Great set of coins, and mintmarks, Congratulation ... +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on March 14, 2020, 09:42:55 am
Thanks, Joe. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Marco M4 on May 02, 2020, 02:03:01 pm
Great coins!
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on May 02, 2020, 04:29:17 pm
Thanks, Marco. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on May 02, 2020, 06:24:54 pm
Very nice group of coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on May 02, 2020, 09:17:07 pm
Thanks, Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on June 14, 2020, 10:14:45 am
I just added a Madonna denar issued by Matthias Hunyadi to my gallery:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-163503

It has been quite a while since I have added one of these, and I had (almost) forgotten how much I like them. They are among my favorites.

Stkp

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on June 14, 2020, 12:10:22 pm
Great piece, Steve,

I also enjoy this kind of reverse ...👍

Mostly Mathias and Wladilaus ll.

Regards

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on June 18, 2020, 02:12:32 pm
Nice coin. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on June 19, 2020, 11:33:14 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on November 29, 2020, 08:13:41 pm
I just added a denar issued by Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg (1387-1437; Holy Roman Emperor 1433-1437). Huszár 576, Pohl 117-_, Unger 449_, Réthy II 121, Frynas H.27.4. The mint-mark (a pellet to the left of the shield) appears to be unrecorded.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-166785

Stkp

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on November 30, 2020, 10:56:02 am
Dear Steve, nice to hear from you...

Nice coin 👍

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on November 30, 2020, 03:03:10 pm
Excellent coin! +++ :)
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 02, 2020, 09:31:20 pm
Thank you both. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 13, 2020, 01:30:12 am
I just added two denarii by Wenceslaus/Vencel Premyslid (1301-1305):

Huszár 434, Unger 343, Réthy I 383, Frynas H.22.2, Adamovsky 532
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-166965

and

Huszár 434a, Unger 343 var., Réthy I 383A/Zimmermann 56, Frynas H.22.3: Adamovsky 531
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-166966

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 13, 2020, 05:04:15 am
Hi Steve,

Both nice... ;) +++

about the second you can find mine :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-110033

about the reference of this coin:

CÁC III. 26.02.1.3., Huszár-, CNH-, Unger-, Adamovsky 531,

Another variation of this coin are :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-110034

this was described by Huszar and the Unger and the Corpus (CNH)

Regards

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 13, 2020, 07:20:01 am
Joe, Yours are extremely nice examples. Thanks for providing the references. I ordered the latest volume in your series of books back on September 28th and I still have not received it! I'm hoping any day now. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 13, 2020, 10:34:36 am
Excellent coins! +++   I had to google harpy.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 13, 2020, 11:02:54 am
Joe, Yours are extremely nice examples. Thanks for providing the references. I ordered the latest volume in your series of books back on September 28th and I still have not received it! I'm hoping any day now. Stkp

Thank you, Steve,  +++

Wow, I do not know what happened, why the book not arrived... :(



Regards

 Joe 
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 13, 2020, 11:16:30 pm
Thank you, Edward.

Joe, I will respond to your question privately.

I have now posted a denar of Lajos/Louis I, the Great (1342-1382).
Huszár 526, Pohl 63-4, Unger 417d, Réthy II 74, Frynas H.25.15
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-166970

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 15, 2020, 01:06:23 pm
Another nice coin! +++     I know in the past I have had instances where it seems like some people mistake a European 1 for a 7 if it is handwritten.. There was one time when I filed a missingpiece of mail and it went to a post office in 21207 instead of 21201.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 15, 2020, 11:08:53 pm
Thank you, Edward. I am hopeful that Joe's book will arrive at my door . . . eventually.

I just added a Slavonian banaldenar issued under Béla IV (1235-1270) for his minor son, Duke Béla (1260-1269), with Bans Roland (1261-1267) and Heinrich von Güssing (1267-1269).  Unger Sz. 11, Rengjeo 97-100 var., Mimica 40-43 var., Dimnik & Dubrinik 8.1.1:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-166990

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 16, 2020, 10:13:56 am
Excellent coin! I like this type. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 16, 2020, 02:36:08 pm
I agree, nice addition Steve,  +++

Regards

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 17, 2020, 06:16:37 am
Thanks, Joe.

I just added another new addition. It is a denar issued by the Jewish moneyer Fredman for István/Stephen V (1270-1272). Huszár 352; Unger 264; Réthy I 292; Frynas H.19.9; Adamovsky 438:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-167023

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 18, 2020, 09:31:38 pm
Here is another new one:

Hungary. Béla IV (1235-1270)
Huszár 301; Unger 225; Réthy I 237; Frynas H.18.13; Adamovszky 364
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-167079

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 19, 2020, 03:42:16 pm
Both great coins... +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 19, 2020, 08:58:41 pm
Thanks, Joe.

I am posting the last of my recent Hungarian acquisitions:

Obolus of Béla IV (1235-1270)
Huszár 314; Unger 236; Réthy I 247; Frynas H.18.24; Adamovszky 376:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-167129

My discussion of the possible connection between this coin and Jewish moneyer Chenok was written this morning, before I was aware of your timely article in Koinon III on Hungarian coins with Hebrew letters.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 20, 2020, 05:50:51 am
Hi, Steve, it is OK, I hope you enjoy our article... +++

 Regards

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 22, 2020, 12:12:43 pm
Nice coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 24, 2020, 07:12:40 pm
Thanks, Edward.

Joe, the article is on a topic that I am particularly interested in and which I have read quite a bit about -- and given a lot of thought. I did enjoy reading it and the images of the coins are superb! Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 25, 2020, 04:20:46 am
It's OK Steve,  +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 24, 2021, 09:00:21 am
I finally received my copy of Joe's volume III in his series of books on medieval Hungarian coins. I am now in the process of reviewing all of my coins that are within the scope of this volume, and revising the write-ups posted in my Gallery.

In doing so, I am also including information from other recent books which were generally not yet published when the coins were acquired and posted, or which I did not yet have. There has been an explosion in recent years of books published on medieval Hungarian coins. They include:

Catalog of Arpadian Coinage, volume I (2018), volume II (2018) and volume III (2020) by Csaba Toth and Josef Geza Kiss (quadrans) in Hungarian and English
Silver Book, volume I (2019) and volume II (2020) by Andras Lengyel (in Hungarian)
Medieval Hungarian Coins and Medals 1000-1526 (2007) by Marton Gyongyossy and Heinz Winter (in German)
Hungarian Coin Catalog 997-1307 (2011) by Istvan Adamovsky (in Hungarian)
Medieval Coins of Bohemia, Hungary and Poland (2015) by Jedrzej George Frynas (in English)

The one book, or more accurately, series of books that is indispensable, both in terms of its detail and its general acceptance and usage, is Joe's series. But in my view, the more the merrier!

So far, using Joe's new book (and the others) I have only updated my Album covering the bracteates (just five coins, so it was easy):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2253

Before doing so, I updated my three earlier Albums to include the Lengyel book citations:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2244 (Earliest Arpads)
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2235 (Kalman/Coloman)
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2252 (12th Century)

I will soon begin updating the two other Albums covered by Joe's newest book:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2249 (Last Arpads)
and
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2251 (Arpadian-Angevin Interregnum)

It is a slow process so it will take a while. Thank you Joe (and thank Csaba Toth for me); I am enjoying this.

Stkp
 


Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 07, 2021, 09:01:37 pm
I finished updating my album on the Árpadián – Angevin Interregnum (1301-1307), which only contains five coins:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2251

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 08, 2021, 07:11:00 am
Hi, Steve,

 I'm happy because finally, you have our VOLIII. ;) +++

 I hope you enjoy it... :)



I'm a little bit busy because of my job and the pandemia, but soon I will have time again any kind of discussion...

All the best

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on March 28, 2021, 03:58:04 pm
I have finished updating my album on the last Arpads:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2249
I have now incorporated the information from volume III of Joe's series and the other references listed below. I enjoy the process of revisiting long-purchased coins this way, although it does get tedious at times. Than you Joe; keep the books coming. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on September 21, 2021, 09:02:43 pm
It has been a while since I added a medieval Hungarian coin to my gallery. Here is a denár issued by Albert of Habsburg (1437-1439) in 1439 in Kassa:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=172213
Huszár 592, Pohl 127-3, Unger 461c, Réthy II 135B, Frynas 28.5

Now I have to figure out how to sort coins within the gallery as this one is not in the correct order. Sorting was easy before the recent updates in the galleries.

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on September 22, 2021, 06:15:26 am
Hi, Steve,

Nice to hear from you... ;)

Great coin... +++

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on September 22, 2021, 01:11:45 pm
Excellent coin! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on September 25, 2021, 12:48:07 pm
Thank you, Joe and Edward.

In my experience coins issued by Albert are harder to come across and are pricier than the rarity ratings indicated in Huszar/Pohl and Unger and Frynas would suggest. This one was from an eBay listing; not only was it miss-attributed, the photo was upside down making the legend difficult to read. Luckily I found it! Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 25, 2022, 06:29:00 pm
I have added quite a few coins to my medieval Hungarian galleys in the last year, but -- I just noticed -- did not update this thread when doing so. Here goes ...

Hungary. Béla IV (1235-1270). Huszár 203; Toth-Kiss 22.7.1.1 sigla 0.1/1; Unger 119; Réthy I 281A/Zimmermann 50; Frynas H.18.48; Lengyel 18/27; Adamovszky A424
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=172939

Hungary. Béla IV (1235-1270). Huszár 324; Toth-Kiss 22.59.1.1 sigla a2.1/4; Unger 256; Réthy I 256; Frynas 18.41; Lengyel 18/67; Adamovszky 390; Rengjeo 47; Mimica 47; Dimnick-Dobrinić 5.1.6
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175045

Hungary. Béla IV (1235-1270). Huszár 330, Toth-Kiss 22.63.1.1, Unger 242, Réthy I 262, Frynas 18.30, Lengyel 18/72, Adamovszky 395a
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175046

Hungary. László/Ladislaus V “Posthumous” (1440-1457). Huszár 652; Pohl 159-1; Unger 504; Réthy II 181; Frynas 33.13
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175047

Hungary. Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 159; Toth-Kiss 20.13.1.1 sigla b1.7/29; Unger 60; Réthy I 149; Frynas H.12.7; Lengyel 12/4; Adamovszky A143.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175114

Hungary. András/Andreas II (1205-1235). Huszár 270, Toth- Kiss 21.85.1.1, Unger 163, Réthy I 300, Frynas 17.42, Lengyel 17/81, Adamovszky 317, Rengjeo 56, Mimica 56, Dimnick-Dobrinić 5.1.12
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175115

Hungary. Béla IV (1235-1270). Huszár 327, Toth-Kiss 22.29.1.1 sigla a2.1/1.2 [?] reverse variety undetermined, Unger 240, Réthy I 259, Frynas 18.28, Lengyel 18/6, Adamovszky 394
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175116

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 171; Toth-Kiss 20.18.1.1 sigla a1.6/7; Unger 85; Réthy I 157; Frynas H.14.8; Lengyel 14/42; Adamovszky A183
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175205

Anonymous 12th Century Class II. Huszár 127; Toth-Kiss 19.15.1.1 sigla a1b1.19/60; Unger 84; Réthy I 137; Frynas H.14.7; Lengyel 14/16; Adamovszky A163
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=175206

Anonymous 12th Century Class II. Huszár 117a; Toth-Kiss 19.7.1.1 sigla a2.2/34; Unger 82; Réthy I 129; Frynas H.14.5; Lengyel 14/53; Adamovszky A124a
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179269

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 161; Toth-Kiss 20.15.1.1 sigla b1.3/27; Unger 80; Réthy I 151; Frynas H.14.3; Lengyel 14/32; Adamovszky A174
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179385

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 161; Toth-Kiss 20.15.1.1 sigla b1.3/27; Unger 80; Réthy I 151; Frynas H.14.3; Lengyel 14/32; Adamovszky A174
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179385

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 140; Toth-Kiss 20.3.1.1 sigla 0.1/1; Unger 81; Réthy I 119; Frynas H.14.4; Lengyel 14/9; Adamovszky A154
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179387

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 180; Toth-Kiss 20.20.1.1 sigla a1.1/2; Unger 67; Réthy I 160; Frynas H.12.13; Lengyel 12/27; Adamovszky A146
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179388

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 164; Toth-Kiss 20.16.1.1 sigla a1.5/6; Unger 86; Réthy I 153; Frynas H.14.9; Lengyel 14/35; Adamovszky A177
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179390

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 181; Toth-Kiss 20.21.1.1 sigla a3.2/18; Unger 95; Réthy I 162; Frynas H.15.3; Lengyel 15/11; Adamovszky A213
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179391

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 186; Toth-Kiss 20.24.1.2 sigla 0.1/1; Unger 98; Réthy I 167; Frynas H.15.6; Lengyel 15/13; Adamovszky A218a
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179392

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on December 26, 2022, 08:39:35 am
Great coins ... +++

 Joe/Q.
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on December 27, 2022, 12:43:16 pm
Nice coins! +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Ron C2 on December 28, 2022, 12:02:20 am
quite the update - and some great additions too!
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on December 28, 2022, 09:12:59 pm
Thank you Joe, Edward and Ron. It was a very long overdue update.

And one more:

Anonymous 12th Century Class III. Huszár 181; Toth-Kiss 20.21.1.1 sigla c.2.1/28; Unger 95; Réthy I 162; Frynas H.15.3; Lengyel 15/11; Adamovszky A213
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179410

I like the type, and now have two with different sigla. The other is https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=179391 for comparison (one of my other recent acquisitions).

Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on January 15, 2023, 04:49:19 pm
Nice coins Steve ... +++

 Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on January 15, 2023, 09:26:58 pm
Thanks. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 01, 2023, 11:32:25 pm
I just posted a contemporary counterfeit of Maria/Mária, Huszár 569, Pohl 114-4, Unger 443d, Réthy II 116, Frynas H.26.4, Lengyel 26/2/5-5K, Tóth 3.6.1.4, to my gallery.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=180180
The coin is good silver. I was so excited to discover the unrecorded retrograde cm mintmark that I neglected to examine the legends and bought the coin, thinking it was the real thing. I know the dealer well, and expect that  he would have flagged the coin as a counterfeit if he had recognized that fact. Still, it is an interesting coin.
Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on February 02, 2023, 01:15:56 pm
That is an interesting coin. The mint mark looks legitimate except backwards. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 02, 2023, 10:02:24 pm
And here is another one, this one official:

Maria/Mária (1382-1387 solo reign; 1387-1395 with husband Sigismund/Zsigmond of Luxembourg), Huszár 569 var., Pohl 114-11 var., Unger 443l var., Réthy II 116 var., Frynas H.26.4 var., Lengyel 26/2/11 var., Tóth 3.6.1.11 var.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=180192

Stkp

Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Edward D on February 03, 2023, 01:10:40 pm
This one is very nice also. +++
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 03, 2023, 10:18:02 pm
Thank you, Edward. Stkp
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: quadrans on February 05, 2023, 05:58:19 am
Both Maria denar are great ... +++

Joe
Title: Re: My medieval Hungarian Albums
Post by: Stkp on February 05, 2023, 09:26:40 pm
Thanks, Joe. Stkp