FORVM`s Classical Numismatics Discussion Board

Numismatic and History Discussions => Roman Coins => Topic started by: Frans Diederik on July 16, 2017, 06:11:20 am



Title: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: Frans Diederik on July 16, 2017, 06:11:20 am
Though not as a total surprise, as this laurel-rosette diadem is already known for his father in the dotPTRE series, I was thrilled to get it in a lot I bought for some Arles coins. Probably there also is an example for Constantius Caesar.
Does anyone of the Forum members know other examples?

Frans


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: quadrans on July 16, 2017, 12:26:20 pm
Look interesting,

Nice find.. +++

Q.


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: lech.stepniewski on July 16, 2017, 01:02:34 pm
Interesting, but probably "irregular coin", i.e. another example of an ancient imitation.

What is the weight and diameter?


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: Zenon M on July 16, 2017, 03:34:28 pm
Would it be possible to see a better photograph?

Zenon M.


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: Frans Diederik on July 17, 2017, 06:02:11 am
It weighs 2.95 grammes and measures 19 mms.
Pictures aren't the best, but clear enough.
The coin is not yet cleaned.
Frans


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: lech.stepniewski on July 17, 2017, 07:04:26 am
Thank you, Frans, for the nice picture.

Let's compare some coins:

This TRIER 512 is undoubtedly official

(http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/images/800x376/62935.jpg)


This TRIER 512 is probably (90%) an ancient imitation

(http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/images/500x235/60153.jpg)

In my opinion your coin is something in between but is more similar to the second one.


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: Frans Diederik on July 17, 2017, 08:02:46 am
Lech,
I took the liberty to borrow a picture from your site, to compare both rosette diademed heads and the reverses. What strikes me is the great similarity of the reverses: small letters and a very similar execution of the blocks of stone - first the horixontal lines and then the vertical ones, often slightly crossing. I wonder if this is the same hand. For this photo I slightly cleaned the coin which is soft and brittle.

Frans


Title: Re: New bust type for Trier campgate
Post by: lech.stepniewski on July 17, 2017, 08:56:44 am
I agree that these reverses are very similar in style. But it is not the same die (which could be a proof that both coins came from the same source). Reverse of Campgate type is rather simple and easy to imitate. I believe that obverses are much more important when we try to distinguish an official issue from imitation.

Your coin is interesting because it is not an obvious imitation.