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Title: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Crassus on June 01, 2017, 10:47:31 pm

Help needed to id the ruler, please?
Thank you so much for your help
small coin, aprox. 17mm

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: quadrans on June 03, 2017, 04:35:08 pm

The winged lion visible on the avers to me ??.. may it is help.. ???

 Regards
 Q.

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: BIRDSOFPREY on June 03, 2017, 07:53:26 pm

Hi all,

I tend to agree that the obverse could be a winged lion, maybe a tornesello of Venice????  I can make out on the reverse what could be 'MOC.'  Maybe a tornesello of Alvise Mocenigo (1570-1577)??? 

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Post by: Meepzorp on June 04, 2017, 12:23:33 am

Hi folks,

When I first looked at the photos, I thought of Venice also. The obverse does look somewhat like a winged lion. But there is something "off" about it. It doesn't look right. Could the obverse be over-struck?

Meepzorp

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Meepzorp on June 04, 2017, 12:32:10 am

Hi folks,

For comparison purposes, I have a silver Venetian coin with a winged lion (scroll down, third coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/mi_venice.htm

Meepzorp

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: BIRDSOFPREY on June 04, 2017, 12:13:18 pm

Hi all,

The attachment is an example of the Venetian Tornesello that I was referring to above.  After some research, I do not think Alvise Mocenigo is a viable attribution for this coin.  His reign as doge was too late for the period in which this coin was probably struck.

Cheers,

David

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Crassus on June 04, 2017, 12:18:30 pm

Quote from: Meepzorp on June 04, 2017, 12:32:10 am

Hi folks,

For comparison purposes, I have a silver Venetian coin with a winged lion (scroll down, third coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/mi_venice.htm

Meepzorp

I think found, is from TOMMASO MOCENIGO 1414-1423 (http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/VENEZIA/TOMMOC.HTML)

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Crassus on June 04, 2017, 01:23:46 pm

or :

Michele Morosini, 10 June - 16 October 1382 ? + MIChL MAVROC • DVX

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: BIRDSOFPREY on June 04, 2017, 03:07:37 pm

Hi Young,

I would feel very comfortable attributing your coin as a Tornesello of Tommaso Mocenigo (1414-1423). I think your comparison pictures are very similar.  That was fun, wasn't it?

Cheers,

David

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Crassus on June 04, 2017, 06:02:27 pm

Quote from: BIRDSOFPREY on June 04, 2017, 03:07:37 pm

Hi Young,

I would feel very comfortable attributing your coin as a Tornesello of Tommaso Mocenigo (1414-1423). I think your comparison pictures are very similar.  That was fun, wasn't it?

Cheers,

David

yes ;), Thank you dear

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 10
Post by: Crassus on June 04, 2017, 06:22:09 pm

I have last one to ID, can you help me friends?

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=111664.0