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Title: Sicily? help id needed - 1
Post by: Crassus on June 01, 2017, 10:18:55 am

help to ID the ruler and date, please? 15 mm aprox.

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 1
Post by: BIRDSOFPREY on June 01, 2017, 11:46:16 am

Hi Young,

It is a billon denaro of Sicily from the fifteenth century, when ruled by Aragonese kings.  The obverse is an eagle with the rulers name in legend around.  I cannot make out the obverse lettering, but for Martin I or II (1402-1410) it would be  :plus:MARTIN:D GR.  For Alfonso the Magnanimous (1442-1458), it would be  :plus:ALFONS:D:GR.  For John II (1458-1479), it would be  :plus:IOANNES:D G.  For Ferdinand the Catholic (1479-1516), it would be  :plus:FERNANDVS D G.  The reverse is the shield of Aragon with the legend  :plus:REX:SICILIE or similar.  I do not notice any mint master's initials on the reverse, so I would think that your coin would be from the Martins or Alfonso's reign.  Mint master initials can be above or either side of the shield on the reverse.  Mint would be Messina.  I gather this information from Medieval European Coinage 14.  Hope this gets you in the right direction.

Cheers,

David

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 1
Post by: Crassus on June 01, 2017, 05:14:17 pm

Quote from: BIRDSOFPREY on June 01, 2017, 11:46:16 am

Hi Young,

It is a billon denaro of Sicily from the fifteenth century, when ruled by Aragonese kings.  The obverse is an eagle with the rulers name in legend around.  I cannot make out the obverse lettering, but for Martin I or II (1402-1410) it would be  :plus:MARTIN:D GR.  For Alfonso the Magnanimous (1442-1458), it would be  :plus:ALFONS:D:GR.  For John II (1458-1479), it would be  :plus:IOANNES:D G.  For Ferdinand the Catholic (1479-1516), it would be  :plus:FERNANDVS D G.  The reverse is the shield of Aragon with the legend  :plus:REX:SICILIE or similar.  I do not notice any mint master's initials on the reverse, so I would think that your coin would be from the Martins or Alfonso's reign.  Mint master initials can be above or either side of the shield on the reverse.  Mint would be Messina.  I gather this information from Medieval European Coinage 14.  Hope this gets you in the right direction.

Cheers,

David

Thank you dear friend for your help

Title: Re: Sicily? help id needed - 1
Post by: Meepzorp on June 03, 2017, 02:46:37 am

Hi young,

I have a similar coin (different ruler):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/ms_pt05.htm

Meepzorp