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Numismatic and History Discussions => Medieval, Islamic and Crusader Coins => Topic started by: Joe Sermarini on April 22, 2017, 09:37:53 am



Title: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: Joe Sermarini on April 22, 2017, 09:37:53 am
(http://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/75702q00.jpg)

Silver 1.285 grams

The mint and date are probably impossible, but does anyone know the culture, rough period, or denomination?


Title: Re: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: bakkar on April 22, 2017, 11:31:51 am
The type and remaining legends refer to the Mamluk dynasty. The left image is upside down. It shows part of the two words " al sultan al malik". On the right image , parts  of shahada legend  are seen.
Unfortunately, the name of the sultan is not seen.

H. Bakkar


Title: Re: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: Joe Sermarini on April 22, 2017, 11:53:15 am
Thanks Bakkar.


Title: Re: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: otlichnik on April 24, 2017, 06:24:24 pm
I have several of these and have never ID'ed them.  Mine were purchased in Jordan around ten years ago.

I have always wondered, were they cut down from larger coins or were they actually struck with larger dies on these small rectangular flans?

Though small they are relatively heavy.  Are they dinars?

Also, is it safe to guess Bahri-era and not Burji-era from the script, even if we can't tell which sultan?

SC


Title: Re: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: Joe Sermarini on May 08, 2017, 08:24:58 am
The 1.258g weight seems to indicate a half dirhem. I Googled Bahriyya Mamluks half dirhem. Similar irregular shaped coins that I found online were identified as crusader imitatives of Mamluk types. Metcalf lists some as imitative of As-Salih Ismail of Damascus, but they do not look entirely similar. Perhaps this is also a crusader imitative?


Title: Re: Islamic Coin ID Help Silver 1.285 grams
Post by: bakkar on May 11, 2017, 01:19:40 pm
These are fractional dirhams which are cut down from larger ones. It is very difficult to figure out from the calligraphy if it belongs to Bahri or Burji Mamluks.  Joe, you are right ,the Crusader imitations of al-Salih Ismaiel  are differnt. This is not a crusader imitation.

H.Bakkar