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Title: Edward I lion vs leopard (Type;elias 13b)
Post by: 77HK77 on April 04, 2017, 04:50:10 pm
In another foray outside my main collecting area I recently acquired the coin below

Described as:
ANGLO-GALLIC. Edward I. As "son of Henry, King of England," 1252-1272. BI Denier au lion (17.5mm, 0.79 g, 1h). Bordeaux mint. Struck 1253-1274. Leopard passant to left; double pellet stops in legend / Cross pattée. Elias 13b


In earlier listings I have seen the description as "Lion" rather than "Leopard"

What is the best description Lion or Leopard? Why?
Title: Re: Edward I lion vs leopard (Type;elias 13b)
Post by: cmcdon0923 on April 04, 2017, 05:47:13 pm
Not knowing anything about the actual coins themselves......the pellets around the face could possibly be interpreted as a stylized mane.
Title: Re: Edward I lion vs leopard (Type;elias 13b)
Post by: BIRDSOFPREY on April 05, 2017, 01:47:28 am
Good morning all,

In James Robert's book The Silver Coins of Medieval France on page 357, it states, "Heraldic leopards and lions are essentially identical, though the former are customarily depicted passant-gardant (walking with the head turned), and the latter is often rampant....".  The subtitle of this section, which includes your coin is "Leopards of Aquitaine."  It goes on to state, "After the English expulsion, the lion reappeared as a local symbol, like the dolphin of Dauphine."  I would venture to say that your animal would indeed represent a leopard; Jim is a pretty smart fella!  I hope this answers your question to some satisfaction.

Cheers,
David
Title: Re: Edward I lion vs leopard (Type;elias 13b)
Post by: 77HK77 on April 05, 2017, 07:27:29 am
David,
Thank you for the explanation. Exactly what I was hoping to find.

HK