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So I picked up this provincial of Nero today at a coin show that copies the DECVRSIO type. I always wanted the Imperial version but could never find one I could afford. Started researching it and came up with very little! Apparently this provincial is very rare. RPC cites 2 examples and the few I've seen online all have the same countermark. They are also all in the same condition. Can someone help me out with the legends? None of the resources I've checked list it.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-132154
Better in hand!
Thanks!
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This one is proving more difficult then I thought! Anyone have RPC to give me the inscriptions?
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RPC 2104: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Rho: :Greek_Omega: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Kappa: :Greek_Lambda: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Upsilon: :Greek_Delta: :Greek_Iota: :Greek_Omicron: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_Kappa: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Iota: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Rho: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Beta: :Greek_Alpha: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_Tau: :Greek_Omicron: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_Gamma: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Rho: :Greek_Mu: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Iota:
rev: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Rho: :Greek_Omega: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Kappa: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Iota: :GreeK_Sigma: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Rho:
Pekka K
c/m Howgego 557 corr.
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Thanks Pekka!
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Great coin Jay.
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First one I have seen. Nice.
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Hi Jay nice find.. +++
Congratulation
Q.
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Thanks! It's a fascinating type and a tough one to research!
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With the exchange rate at the moment I'm finding it hard to justify buying coins, but this little gem (OK maybe not a gem ;)) caught my eye. It was cheap enough and quite scarce. I've never been able to find one at shows and I think it must be scarcer than listed.
Vespasian denarius with Cista Mystica reverse. Minted in Rome most probably for eastern circulation. It's very much in keeping with the larger Cistophoric tetradrachms previously minted for the east. Reminds me of Antony's cistophorii and those of the questors.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-132798
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Nice coin Jay. I have not seen one of those before.
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This is one of those odd types Vespasian minted which on the surface has no good explanation other than it being a restoration type, in this case copying a quinarius struck by Augustus.
Nice find Jay!
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This is one of those odd types Vespasian minted which on the surface has no good explanation other than it being a restoration type, in this case copying a quinarius struck by Augustus.
Nice find Jay!
Thanks David, I had forgotten about the quinarii with the same reverse! Blinded I guess by those nice big silver Tetradrachms! 8)
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With the exchange rate at the moment I'm finding it hard to justify buying coins, but this little gem (OK maybe not a gem ;)) caught my eye. It was cheap enough and quite scarce. I've never been able to find one at shows and I think it must be scarcer than listed.
Vespasian denarius with Cista Mystica reverse. Minted in Rome most probably for eastern circulation. It's very much in keeping with the larger Cistophoric tetradrachms previously minted for the east. Reminds me of Antony's cistophorii and those of the questors.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-132798
It is OK, Jay
Nice find +++
Q.
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Here are the images of the above-mentioned coin, as Nobly
supplied by the (unnamed - with respect to Joe) Sydney based
Numismatic auction house.
Walter
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Two new coins of Vespasian added today.
Ephesus, is the reference correct? I think so:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133055
Divvs laurel branches:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133056
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Excellent additions Jay!
Yes, the first coin is Ephesus, BY mint mark COS II issue, fairly rare.
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Thanks David! The Ephesian has a golden toning that's hard to capture in a photo. The laurel branch Divus has been on my list for a long time too. It's worn but all there. It'll do for now! :D
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Two new coins of Vespasian added today.
Ephesus, is the reference correct? I think so:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133055
Divvs laurel branches:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133056
Almost forgot the Nero Triumphal arch sestertius!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133057
Possibly Damnatio Memoriae. Opinions?
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Great coins Jay. I especially like the divvs Vespasian issue.
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+++ . Congratulations my friend.
Really nice , statues are OK , and over all Nero Sestertius +++
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Fine additions, the sestertius has a great architectural reverse.
Alberto
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Thanks guys!
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Two new coins of Vespasian added today.
Ephesus, is the reference correct? I think so:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133055
Divvs laurel branches:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133056
Great addition Jay..:) +++
Q.
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All 3 are quite nice additions. Congrats, Jay!
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Been looking for one of these for a long time. Finally added today! Domitian Secular games denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133367
I just love the look of this coin!
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Great addition Jay!
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Great addition Jay!
Been looking for one of these for a long time. Finally added today! Domitian Secular games denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133367
I just love the look of this coin!
Thanks!
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Agreed, it is very nice!
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I just love the look of this coin!
Agreed, it's a lovely piece. The Rome mint was firing on all cylinders for this Secular Games issue.
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Thanks guys! As always I appreciate the comments.
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Been looking for one of these for a long time. Finally added today! Domitian Secular games denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133367
I just love the look of this coin!
Ohh yes nice coin ... +++
Q.
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Two really nice terracotta oil lamps added:
Herodian with grapes and vines:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133579
Roman with Amphora:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133578
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Added this Vespasian Mars reverse denarius. The dealer photo was over lit and over exposed. Looked very shiny. I was amazed when I got this in hand today. Beautiful rainbow toning that usually comes from old collection manila envelopes:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133987
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Wonderful toning on that coin Jay.
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Thanks! It's even nicer in hand. It's tough to photograph the rainbow toning correctly.
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Added this Vespasian Mars reverse denarius. The dealer photo was over lit and over exposed. Looked very shiny. I was amazed when I got this in hand today. Beautiful rainbow toning that usually comes from old collection manila envelopes:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-133987
Nice specimen.. +++
Q.
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Thanks!
Added something that has been on my wish list for a very, very long time.
Brutus gold stater with lictors:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134378
It's a most impressive specimen nearly UNC with loads of mint luster and almost perfectly centered. I just can't stop holding it! Tried various methods to photograph it and settled with this one as it brings out and shows all of the wonderful folds and feathers. Enjoy!
It matches the denarius already in my collection:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-65030
For a great article on why this coin is Brutus and not some unknown Dacian King have a read here, it convinced me:
http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/koson/koson.htm
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https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Koson
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Thanks for the reminder Joe.
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Wonderful coin Jay. Congrats on a great coin.
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Superb addition, congratulations Jay !
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Thanks guys!
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My best wishes of fast healing to your wallet . +++
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My best wishes of fast healing to your wallet . +++
Funny guy! But you are right! ;D It was a blood bath!
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wow Jay, you've really stepped into the Big Leagues!
great coin, historically AND intrinsically. well done!
(i predict a lot of Top Ramen in your immediate future) ;)
~ Peter
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Thanks guys. A nice little siglos added today
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134416
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Nice addition .. :) ;) +++
Q.
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https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Siglos
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Hi Joe, I did use the numiswiki page to determine it was type IV but going further between type IV b or c but I'm still not sure. I think a lot more research has to be done on these types because just like the article says, even dealers can't determine the difference sometimes.
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I would attribute your siglos as Carradice Type IV A/B, Artaxerxes I - Artaxerxes II, c. 455 - 375 B.C. I believe your coin was struck with worn dies, making it difficult to distinguish between IV A or IV B. I am confident it is not IV C.
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Much appreciated Joe! The tag actually says IIIb but that must have been a typo because he clearly doesn't have a spear and holds the dagger.
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Added a Vespasian denarius with bull reverse RIC 841. Sources say it is scarce but I've had quite the time trying to track one of these down. I think it's quite rare. The same type is much more common for Titus.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134838
Have a look!
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Very nice example of the type!
However, I will quibble with the 'bull' attribution. I'm in no respects a farmer, but I think that is certainly a cow! To be fair, the sex of the animal on more than a few dies is questionable. The only conclusions I've reached about it is that the Titus Caesar examples tend to show a 'bull', while Vespasian's depict a 'cow'. And Mattingly's 'Cow of Myron' conjecture is most certainly wrong.
Also, IMHO, the Titus Caesar 'bull' is slightly rarer than Vespasian's 'cow'.
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Thanks David. I've heard the different theories between cows and bulls. Some like mine quite clearly show horns, others it's not so clear.
From my searches for the type I've seen the opposite, Titus is easier to find than the Vespasian! :) Although I don't have a Titus...
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Thanks David. I've heard the different theories between cows and bulls. Some like mine quite clearly show horns, others it's not so clear.
And it doesn't help, depending on the breed, cows can have horns! Which of course does not make it any easier sorting these reverse types out.
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Cows with horns, never heard that. Some research is in order on the types of Roman cows!
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Cows with horns, never heard that. Some research is in order on the types of Roman cows!
To be honest, I never knew cows could have horns too until I researched the type a few years ago. I was trying to find a true Vespasian 'bull', but never did. In the new RIC the type is described as a 'heifer' for Vespasian and 'bull' for Titus Caesar, although they admit the sex can be ambiguous.
To give an idea what we should be looking for when trying to find a 'bull' reverse, take a look at my Titus Caesar specimen. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-49947
I don't think I need to point out why it's a bull!
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Nice example David.
You may be right that it's simply an agricultural type and could be either a bull or cow. It fits in with the yoked oxen from COS VIII and other agricultural reverses.
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Thanks Jay.
It's possible the 'yoked oxen' type is a reference to Vespasian extending the pomerium, but that is a topic for another thread!
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He did like to copy old types.
It would be interesting to compare the two side by side with a write up of the theories of why they were copied. I need to research the copy of the Antony prow type since it combines my two collecting interests.
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Great example Jay!
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Thanks guys.
Don't know why it's taken so long to take a better picture of this coin:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134938
Life-time drachm of Alexander III. Much better photo!
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Great pic Jay
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Thanks!
Finally got around to taking a photo of an itaglio I've had for many years. Beautiful blue with what I believe to be Asclepius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-134983
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Added a two for one to my collection today. A Vespasian denarius which copies the reverse of Antony:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135148
Rare.
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Great coin Jay.. +++
Q.
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Whhat a great addition congrats Jay.
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Thanks guys. I have the original Antony but only as a fouree. Hunting for them is most of the fun!
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A nice addition! I agree, half the fun is searching for coins. Good luck ^_^
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Congrats Jay on your new Vespasian! Not as common in trade as the RIC frequency rating of 'common' indicates!
Now, all you need is the left facing portrait example. ;)
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Traded in a bunch of Antony denarii yesterday to upgrade my collection. I think I did well with a couple from Vespasian's funeral procession:
Eastern denarius of Vespasian "World Peace":
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135266
Divine Vespasian in Quadriga:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135267
Divine Vespasian urn and Laurels:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135268
Constantine URBS ROMA nice sand patina:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135269
Constantine Sol Invictus London mint:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135270
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Great coins Jay
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Great series Jay :) +++
The Favians and the Sol of Constantine +++ +++
Regards
Q.
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Thanks guys! Just noticed, it looks like the reverse of the urn and laurels is a die match to the one I already have!
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That's cool
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Traded in a bunch of Antony denarii yesterday to upgrade my collection. I think I did well with a couple from Vespasian's funeral procession:
Eastern denarius of Vespasian "World Peace":
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135266
Divine Vespasian in Quadriga:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135267
Divine Vespasian urn and Laurels:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135268
Constantine URBS ROMA nice sand patina:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135269
Constantine Sol Invictus London mint:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135270
Fantastic additions! I especially love the Ephesian denarius. Also, the reverse on the Divus Vespasian is one of the better executed ones I've seen.
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Thanks guys! I think I made the right decision.
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I still have a few more coins to photograph and catalog from the big trade I did a few weeks ago.
Here's a very attractive and scarce? Domitian denarius from the Fall of 88 AD:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135659
and a Domitian denarius with Standard/Eagle:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135660
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Also a Vespasian Priestly Implements denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135667
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Great additions Jay
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I agree both three are great .. ;) :) +++
Q.
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Thanks guys!
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Photographed another acquisition. Vespasian Ephesian mint denarius. Beautiful strike:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135674
I think I have the right attribution but would be grateful if someone could double check. Thanks!
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a better photo of another Ephesian denarius of Vespasian:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135677
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Hi Jay ,
The Ephesian mint are one of my favourit...
Q.
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https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135659
Splendid with the two tiny figures on the rostral column quite clear.
PeteB
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Good eye Pete!
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Great addition!
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The final two coins from my massive sale of Antony legionaries. Both Flavian's.
Rare Titus Dupondius, no COS V's in the BM!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135833
Rare Ephesian denarius of Vespasian (Can someone confirm which is the new RIC number please?):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135834
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Nice addition Jay , :) ;)
Great +++
Q.
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You have been adding some really nice Flavians lately. All I can say is bravo!
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The final two coins from my massive sale of Antony legionaries. Both Flavian's.
Rare Titus Dupondius, no COS V's in the BM!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135833
Rare Ephesian denarius of Vespasian (Can someone confirm which is the new RIC number please?):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135834
1412 (group 3) or 1421 (group 4), Jay. I cannot read the symbol on the lower left of the Victory. Both are from the Paci Augustae type but everything depends on this symbol. If somebody has a better reading ???
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I'm working from my phone so it's difficult to compare images, but this looks like it might be the same dies....
Barry Murphy
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Quite convincing, Barry. RIC II 1421 in this case.
Best
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Barry:
WOW!
Was that image taken from a phone?
PeteB
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Wow! Thanks Barry and everyone else! Great detective work.
The coin is not as porous looking as in the photo and has a wonderful dark tone. The pic shows the details better but isn't a good representation of the coin in hand.
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Pete, that's a photo from coin archives. I was just using my phone to look at the images and it's difficult to compare images w one window open at a time.
Barry Murphy
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Thanks Barry, not sure why I didn't think to look for a die match...
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Maria Di Medici jeton:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-135883
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That one's neat Jay
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Thanks, Barry!
PeteB
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A gorgeous portrait of Domitian added today. It's a beauty in hand too!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136077
I see several different RIC references for this coin with COS VII DES VIII P P. It came listed as RIC II 96, I have it attributed to RIC II 26.
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Nice. BOT?
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Very nice, Jay, from different dies than mine.
I think I have some coin from the same engraver in my collection.
Cheers
Alberto
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Thanks Joe I will add to BOT shortly.
Alberto I actually used yours for attribution. I don't have the new RIC, or the old one for that matter so I rely on the dealer tags or my own detective work online. Sometimes it works to my benefit when dealers don't catch things that make the type more sought after. For this one I've found several different references but I can't seem to tell what the difference is between them, unless it's just old numbers. ???
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Your coin it's definitely RIC 26, since it has type "C" legend (IMP CAES DOMITIANVS AVG P M) on obverse and COS VII DES VIII P P (without TR P) on reverse.
It was #14 in the old edition.
Cheers
Alberto
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By the way RIC 96 was certainly wrong: its reverse would be TR POT COS VIII P P.
I have one in my collection, not in the gallery though.
Alberto
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Thanks Alberto! I should really pick up the corresponding volume of RIC
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Any way very nice coin Jay +++
Q.
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Thanks Q
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Awesome coin Jay
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Thanks guys!
Along with the Domitian
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136077
I've added new pics of L. Papius denarius
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136114
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136113
And an As of Claudius
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136115
As I add new coins I'm reshooting others for better photos.
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I'm late to the party here, but wanted to say that Domitian is a fantastic addition. Engraved in a very fine style for the 'pulvinaria' series.
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Very beautiful coin, Jay. Patina, centering, style, .....
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Thanks guys much appreciated. It's nice sharing these with people who "get it" ;D
Also ordered RIC II from Amazon...only $55. 2 left as of last night. Everywhere else is out of stock.
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Thanks guys!
Along with the Domitian
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136077
I've added new pics of L. Papius denarius
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136114
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136113
And an As of Claudius
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136115
As I add new coins I'm reshooting others for better photos.
Great coins Jay ,
Domitian are excellent,
The Papia coins one of my favourit..
Etc.. +++ ;D
Regards
Q.
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Another Papius Griffin re-shoot added:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136209
and a great Siglos, this time Type III:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136210
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Very nice!
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Nice addition Jay.. +++ :)
Q.
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Thanks guys. I've been slowly re-shooting some poorly photographed coins. Here's a decent Vespasian priestly implements denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136349
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Titus Antioch denarius added. Great portrait!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136500
"CONCORDIA" is off flan. Any other way of knowing if this is the retrograde "N"?
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Titus Antioch denarius added. Great portrait!
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136500
"CONCORDIA" is off flan. Any other way of knowing if this is the retrograde "N"?
Super coin Jay! One of Titus Caesar's rarer types from Antioch.
It's also a double die match with my specimen. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-38375
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Awesome, thanks David. So obviously no retrograde N.
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Finally got a copy of RIC so I'm going through my Flavians and updating the references. While doing that I'm reshooting some old coins. The new pictures are much more "alive" than the old ones. Here's a pretty rare Titus Judea Capta denarius, nicely centered with full legends and original find patina around the devices:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136591
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That is really interesting Titus Judea Capta. It so happens I just bought a Titus Judea Capta 2 days ago. I will post it soon. It is a different type from yours.
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Look forward to seeing it!
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Just spent a few hours going through my Flavian coins updating to the new RIC numbers. I was surprised at how many mistakes I found copying attributions from dealer flips. I don't know what took me so long to get it, it's an invaluable resource! They should all be correct now with RIC number in the title. Now the question is how to sort them? By RIC #, Emperor, type...?
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Added a very common Domitian denarius that came from an old collection. Super dark toning with some encrustations around letters. It's a wonderful portrait. Is that a gorgon visible on Minerva's breast plate? Very high relief, especially the legends.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136642
I never really bothered with Domitian before because of the standard Minerva reverses. It was difficult to get excited about them, but I must say his portraits are always outstanding. I'm actively searching for the now!
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I collect literally everything struck by Domitian.
If you stick to the Imperial series, I value his coinage between 84 and 88 A.D. the best in style.
For different reasons earlier and later issues are in less appealing to me, with some exception.
Alberto
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I have my eye on a few more Domitian's!
Here's a new photo of a great republican denarius with Janus:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136671
Again, the new picture far surpasses the old one.
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Great coin Jay .. :) ;) +++
Q.
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Very nice!
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Some new photos of some old coins.
Vespasian Roma Sestertius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136838
Vespasian Cista Mystica denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136837
L. Cassius Longinus denarius voting scene:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136836
Interestingly if you collect all the different control marks on these coins you can spell the moneyer''s name!
I think the new images capture the coins in hand much better than before.
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Good photo from a nice coin Jay.. +++
Q.
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Thanks!
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Two more new photos added:
The Triga on a republican denarius of Pulcher, Mallius and Urbinius (sounds like a law firm):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136845
and the Republican wolf and twins by Sextus Pompeius
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136846
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Nice photos and great coins .. :) ;) +++
Q.
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A few more new photos added:
Augustus scarce denarius bull butting left!:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136850
Rape of the Sabines denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136849
I think the new images capture the coins in hand much better than before.
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A lot of great additions!
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New acquisitions and some new photos from this last week.
Constantius II gold solidus freed from NGC holder:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137051
A fantastic Domitian rare "O" mint (Thanks David!):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136983
Trajan's column denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137087
Juba I of Numidia denarius, double struck and pretty scarce!:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137088
Calpurnius Piso Frugi denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137089
Thanks for looking!
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Did you win the lottery ?
What a nice bunch of coins !
JC
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Ha! I wish! No the solidus and Domitian are new, the others are just new pics.
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cool new coins Jay, and great new pictures of the older ones, especially...
Calpurnius Piso Frugi denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137089
this coin reminds me of a paper i once contemplated writing regarding the influence of the Greek colonies of southern Italy upon the early art of the Roman Republic. the idea is not a radical one, as even Livy made the obvious comparison over 2000 years ago. but this particular denarius drives the point home rather strikingly i think, and not coincidentally either.
an apparent ancestor of L. Calpurnius Piso was captured after the Battle of Cannae and was held at Taras until his return to Rome in 212 BC. this is the same year that the Ludi Apollinares, the annual festival to Apollo, was first celebrated at Rome in July, at the urging of the praetor Calpurnius and supposedly in response to Sibylline scripture and the prophesies of the seer Marcius.
whether any of this is historically accurate or not, the influence is hard to deny when we compare Jay’s coin to the torch racing scene on this Tarentine didrachm from the middle of the 3rd century BC (Vlasto 939, image from CNG)...
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Excellent! I love southern Italian coins and the connection as you say is obvious! Nice coin!
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it is a nice coin, and i only wish it were mine! but even this coin was a revival of a previous style from Taras, as seen on this rare didrachm from 150 years earlier. it has all of the same attributes... galloping horse, torch, etc, so it probably has to do with the same festival to Apollo.
this specimen (below) is from Vlasto's own collection, #362 and is also from CNG.
i have often said that if i didn't collect Magna Graecian coins i would probably focus on Republicans, and this coin of yours is one of the main reasons why (along with the delightful 'Muse' series!).
in the introduction to his book 'A History of Roman Literature' (1877), Charles Thomas Cruttwell writes "The traditional account of the origin of literature at Rome, accepted by the Romans themselves, is that it was entirely due to contact with Greece."
so there really is more similarity than difference between the two series, imo.
~ Peter
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cool new coins Jay, and great new pictures of the older ones, especially...
Calpurnius Piso Frugi denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137089
this coin reminds me of a paper i once contemplated writing regarding the influence of the Greek colonies of southern Italy upon the early art of the Roman Republic. the idea is not a radical one, as even Livy made the obvious comparison over 2000 years ago. but this particular denarius drives the point home rather strikingly i think, and not coincidentally either.
an apparent ancestor of L. Calpurnius Piso was captured after the Battle of Cannae and was held at Taras until his return to Rome in 212 BC. this is the same year that the Ludi Apollinares, the annual festival to Apollo, was first celebrated at Rome in July, at the urging of the praetor Calpurnius and supposedly in response to Sibylline scripture and the prophesies of the seer Marcius.
whether any of this is historically accurate or not, the influence is hard to deny when we compare Jay’s coin to the torch racing scene on this Tarentine didrachm from the middle of the 3rd century BC (Vlasto 939, image from CNG)...
You should reconsider writing it and submit it to KOINON! I would be thrilled to include your essay and will assist in any way I can (ILL books, etc.).
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I agree!
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New acquisitions and some new photos from this last week.
Constantius II gold solidus freed from NGC holder:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137051
A fantastic Domitian rare "O" mint (Thanks David!):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-136983
Trajan's column denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137087
Juba I of Numidia denarius, double struck and pretty scarce!:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137088
Calpurnius Piso Frugi denarius:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-137089
Thanks for looking!
Great new addition and photos Jay .. :) ;) +++
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You should reconsider writing it and submit it to KOINON! I would be thrilled to include your essay and will assist in any way I can (ILL books, etc.).
it's nice of you guys to say so, but... :-\
i might give it some more thought.
~ Peter
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I agree!
I'll 2nd that.
Great coins btw Jay!